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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Eurosub plans
Steve, Jon, All
We don't have to modify the K350. It is a great and simple design and
individual builders make often modification.
Both easy to build but a complete different construction!
We will try to have Eurosub plans available by the end of the year.
The drawings are clear for us but have to be updated and refined . Also a
construction manual and parts list has to be made.
Please send me a mail offlist if any of you are interested in a set of
plans.
Probably I will start with Eurosub 2 later this year. It will have small
modifications to have a 400 M /1200 ft operational depth .
Domerings, penetrators and sternfairing will be made for 2-3 boats so this
and more parts will be available too.
Best regards, Emile
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Van: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] Namens Jon Wallace
Verzonden: donderdag 27 mei 2010 18:49
Aan: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Onderwerp: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Recent Eurosub Dive Experience
The Eurosub is a really nice sub and well deserving of notice and
accolades it has received. I see it as an alternative rather than a
replacement for the Kittredge subs however, since calling it a
"replacement" has a connotation that the K-subs are somehow obsolete
which I don't think is the case. While the K-sub plans could use some
modifications to bring them up to date (about 40 years old now) and into
compliance with the latest ABS requirements, the base hull construction
and ballast control systems have proven to be well engineered and
reliable. What's interesting to me about having Eurosub plans available
is that it would offer a design with different enough subsystems (such
as ballast and controls) to make it an interesting alternative.
I don't know enough about the Eurosub to understand exactly how
different it is from the K-sub design, however I suspect someone could
take the K-sub plans and modify them into a Eurosub, and modify the
Eurosub plans into a K-sub. My point being that I think its difficult
to substantially differentiate one well designed general purpose
submarine over another, especially for recreational use. For example,
is a sub designed for 1,000 feet using hemisphere heads functionally any
better, or safer, than a sub designed for 1,000 feet using
semi-elliptical heads? Once you've achieved a safe hull, many of the
other systems are merely preference and do not substantially offer more
or less benefit over another design; batteries inside or outside, fixed
or movable motors, ballast fore and aft, amidships, or both.
I do hope the Eurosub plans become available sometime. I also hope
PSUBS can complete our Open Source Submarine (OSS) project which I think
will offer another option to home-builders.
Jon
Steve McQueen wrote:
> All,
> I recently had an opportunity to dive in Eurosub at Kreidesee (1 hr.
> and a max.
> depth of 50 meters) and to visit with Carsten and view both Sgt.
> Pepper & Euronaut. I was very impressed and appreciated the
> hospitality I received.
>
> Let's hope the Eurosub drawings become available some day as I believe
> (my humble opinion) this design is a logical replacement to the
> Kittredge.
>
> I really liked the hard ballast tank design as it also acts as an
> internal stiffener. The soft ballast tanks were also well designed and
> nicely integrated to the hull.
>
> While I am far from construction of my own project I have now had the
> experience of diving in 4 different subs and I can attest to the value
> of doing so.
>
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