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Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST] acrylic



 
----- Original Message -----
From: glen brown
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST] acrylic

 
----- Original Message -----
From: glen brown
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] acrylic

Hi Greg
Actualy I was hoping to purchase a full set of annealed disc windows for my K350 .
I am sure I read somwhere that someone was selling them complete,if anyone can help it will be most appreatiated.
Glen SA
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:46 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] acrylic



--- On Wed, 5/26/10, greg cottrell <jgcottrell2002@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: greg cottrell <jgcottrell2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rudders
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 3:50 PM

I happen to be fabricating with 2" thick acrylic right now if any one needs some flat discs (for some sort of safe, non sub related art project). If so,email me off the list.
Greg Cottrell
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 5/24/10, ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com> wrote:

From: ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rudders
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:50 PM

On rudders.....
It seems to me that using only side thrusters to steer would work of course, but as Vance described, there are limitations to the effectiveness under some scenarios. For sure it would work OK on a tiny sub but maybe less so on a larger one like a K boat.
To steer a straight course using only side thrusters there would need to be constant adjustment of the motor speeds which would possibly use more electrical power.
With a rudder, small adjustments to the rudder position could be made while using a steady speed on the thrusters. Any forward movement would make the rudders act as "control surfaces".
On Git Kraken I opted for a combination of these. I have the two rotating side thrusters mounted midship for use as depth control and fine maneuvering "on location". Up, down, left, right. forward, back.
The stern thrusters ( 2 ) are mounted into prop rings with "rudder vanes" and my hope is that a "vectored thrust" effect will be achieved. With 120 degrees of angle and both props turning in unison the vectoring effect should push the ass end around for a relatively tight turning radius.
The "rudder vanes" are large enough that even without the rear props spinning they should act as rudder control surfaces as long as some forward movement is made. The main benefit is that the rudder angle is changed with just a small "bump" of the rudder actuator which uses very little electric power.
As a quick "burst" all 4 motors can be activated. In theory that should give 404 pounds of thrust. With the two rear thrusters at full speed it's 202 pounds pushing the stern side ways. Each thruster can be activated alone so any amount of thrust can be applied up to the maximum.
Each motor circuit is completely separate from the others including dedicated individual battery banks, speed/direction controllers, thru-hulls and motor.
One problem I'm expecting is that both props in the rear turn in the same direction. If this turns out to be a problem as I suspect it will, I'll need to get a left handed prop to fit one of the motors. My hope is that the vanes in the prop rings will reduce the problem to a minimum but only testing will confirm what's needed here.
On oil compensating......I think having each motor compensated separately would be safer. No chance a leak in one would foul the others. A common "bellows" could still be used if the plumbing connecting it all together had some sort of "trap" in each line so water couldn't get to an adjacent motor.
The "air cushion" from a truck looks promising as a bellows. I know they can take some abuse without failing.
Frank D.