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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Penetration and Reinforcement
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- Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Penetration and Reinforcement
- From: "Hugh Fulton" <hc.fulton@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 07:08:06 +1200
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Jon,
The replacement of metal is not worked out as area of a hole but as the area
of the cross section which makes it more conservative. Also the limit of
the reinforcement is 2.5 times the thickness on either side but not taking
into account the thickness of the shell. The thickness in the calcs for the
area is taken as the required thickness not actual. The reinforcement area
of the conning tower is therefore limited to (2 x .75) x (5 x .25). Of
course I have not taken into consideration the corrosion allowance nor have
I calculated the required thickness. You must select your material and
depth and stiffener spacing to arrive at minimum required thickness.
Regards, Hugh
the ABS Steel Vessel Rules document:
Part 4 - Vessel Systems and Machinery
Chapter 4 - Boilers, Pressure Vessels and Fired Equipment
Section 1 - Appendix 1 - Rules for Design
7 Openings and Reinforcements
First, I have a specific question related to Figure 8 on page 311,
elements Tn and Trn at the top left of the nozzle. Did they mark the
illustration incorrectly? The variable Tn is defined as the nozzle wall
thickness exclusive of corrosion allowance. The variable Trn is defined
as the required nozzle wall thickness exclusive of corrosion allowance
for a maximum working pressure. The equations using these elements look
correct (Tn-Trn) which would complement the idea of calculating the
amount of reinforcement provided by the thickness of the nozzle above
that required for the working pressure. However, the illustration for
Trn appears to show a sliver of metal as the actual difference between
Tn and Trn, rather than how Trn is defined in the text. Looking at the
illustration, I would have expected Trn to be shown as the material with
the "\" lines through it (or the "/" lines in the right segment) rather
than the sliver of metal it is currently pointing to.
2010 ABS rule 4-4-1A1/7.1 restricts the calculations for penetration
reinforcement of shells 60in diameter or less, to 1/2 the shell diameter
but not exceeding 20 inches. For a typical K-sub (36 inch diameter) this
means the calculations are valid for a conning tower or viewport no
wider than 18 inches (457mm). The rule states "Reinforcement of larger
openings is to be submitted for specific approval".
I don't think I've ever seen a conning tower on any PSUB that is 18
inches or smaller, and most appear to be 22 to 24 inches in diameter.
For those of you not working off of K-sub plans, what are you using as a
guide to calculate the thickness of the conning tower and/or
reinforcement metal? Busby (http://busby.psubs.org) stated in Chapter 5,
Page 255 (Hull Penetrations) that an ASME standard is to replace 100% of
the material taken from the hull. If I calculated correctly however,
Kittredge replaced the K-sub conning tower penetration with about 400%
of the material taken from the hull (can anyone check my numbers? Hull
thickness 1/4inch, conning tower ring is 24.5 x .75 x 9 inches).
Have I missed another ABS document that deals with this issue?
Notwithstanding submission of a design to an ABS surveyor, what is the
best practice PSUBS be promoting for this issue?
Jon
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