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Brent, Didn’t look too closely at them I’m afraid. Where are they
shown? Chs Hugh From:
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent
Hartwig Hugh, Did you take a look
at U-boat Worx ballast tank vent valves when you were there? They look
like they are using some sort of mushroom vent. It seems like I keep
finding that when it comes to competition, people tend to go to one extreme or
the other. I was pleasantly surprised when I got into the commercial
parakeet farming business in Oregon, that all the other parakeet farms in the
are worked together in one way or another. We could order larger bulk feed
orders, and keep are customers supplied with others birds when are production
was down. I like it when people compete with quality, style, price,
and service. Not put others down, to push your self up. Bruce made a stab at
SeaMagine, Hawkes and Phil in that brochure as well. Subs have so many
different uses, that while one configuration of designs will work great in one
or more niches, it's not going to be the best in all niches. "
There are sub vendors out there at yacht shows selling inexpensive, shallow
diving sub that have not been properly engineered and certified, and if you use
one, in our opinion, you are taking your life in your hands. The Triton
represents the only deep submersible design in the world today that was
developed specifically to meet the requirements of yacht based use. Every
competitive submersible offered has at least one fatal flaw when it come to
yacht based operations." Do I need to say any
thing here? I'll have to call his bluff on that one. " One
even puts a very large metal mating flange at eye level around the passenger
compartment."
The SeaMagines have
are a lot easier to get out of and have more surface flotation then a Triton
1000 as well as some acrylic sphere protection. " The
3300 foot version of the Triton allows even more versatility in diving depth
and is popular among marine archeologist of wreck-hunters.? He's not even built
one yet, and he's saying there popular. "Other
classification societies of other countries also class submersibles but non
have the rigorous requirements of ABS and some are simply chosen for their
regulatory loopholes. For instance, ABS would never award class to a
submersible where opening the hatch in the water would sink the vehicle."
~ Bruce Jones What about the
inflatable systems for emergency surface egress that the Deep Flight Super
Falcon and Deep Flight Aviator is supposed to have, and that they cannot open
the hatch from the inside as far as I can see. Some Deepworker subs
are ABS classed if I understand Phil correctly. Regards, Brent From: Hugh Fulton
Sent: Sunday, August 16,
2009 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Sub Operation at the Discretion of the U.S Coast Guard U-boat Worx are in Breda, Holland not Dubai. I visited
them and they are quite professional and have a GL classification equal to ABS
and acceptance in Europe so Yes Triton brochure comments are misleading and
rather pointed. The new Seaquester is 3 man and quite roomy inside and
well built. They are using Li-ion batteries. I think that Triton have the edge but they are much more
costly. Competition brings out the best and the worst in people.
Chs Hugh From:
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]
On Behalf Of Jay K. Jeffries Brent, From my discussions with the US
Coast Guard while assisting with making plans for the Maine trip, the issue of
“classed” never came up. The USCG can stop you from operating on any
navigable waters if they think that you present a threat or a safety issue (whether
to yourself or to others). Well it looks like Jones finally
has subs in the water…it has taken him close to 20 years (and they are the
large luxury yacht submersibles that he keeps pushing but just a copy of Link’s
original concept). Haven’t spoken with him in years but it looks like he
hasn’t changed. Wasn’t U-Boat Worx building out
of Dubai? If so, they are under indictment for embezzlement as I posted a
while back. R/Jay From:
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]
On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig I had a phone
conversation with Bruce Jones a while back, and he tried to make it sound like
only classed sub are allowed to operate in the U.S. waters. Of course we
know that unclassed subs have a range to currently work in. But he
didn't want to hear that. I guess some just want subbing to be a very
very exclusive club. I had also heard that in some busy harbors the Coast
Guard wants you to file a dive plan, and get clearance. Like was done when the
S101 was diving in the Seattle area. Have you guys heard about the below data,
and is there a statute I can reference? "In
most countries, including the United States, it is illegal to commercially
operate a sub not built to classification standards and operated without a
valid class certificate. In the U.S. it is at the discretion of the U.S. Coast
Guard Captain of the Port at so whether to allow private home-built or non
classed subs to operate without paying passengers in U.S waters. Submersibles
that are not classed by any classification society cannot be insured and they
cannot legally carry passengers for hire. Small, inexpensive submersibles like
those sold by U-Boat Worx fall into this category."
For more info on Triton: http://www.tritonsubs.com/files/triton-brochure.pdf There is also quite a bit
of data on the Triton subs in this new PDF brochure that is interesting. I
found the U-Boat Worx comments to be a bit rude. But maybe that's just me. As
is turns out Bruce Jones lives just minutes from me. How crazy is that. Regards, Brent
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