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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Escape from a PSUB



According to the formula  for a 2” valve for 75% of the volume was 16.3 seconds to the bubble line and as it is not ambient inside when you reach bubble line, but then the next step is to “BLOW” which I assume is blow air into it to approximately equalize then “EQUALISE”

If you haven’t frozen by that time.   Some of the previous comments are that air trapped inside is a problem when you open the hatch.  I was hoping to have that clarified by those with practical knowledge.   I was impressed with the Comsub as it has two 2” valves in it which I assumed were for flooding but then I found that they led into the hydraulic motor compartment????!!!  Chs, Hugh

 

 

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan James
Sent: 03 August 2009 14:50
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Escape from a PSUB

 

Thanks Jay for going over this stuff again.

Your experience is invaluable. I've printed the email.

It's a bit of a mission searching the archived emails, there are 907 under "escape".

A book is being written by a member on personal submersibles & hopefully these

comments can be put into it, so as Jon put it "we don't keep on reinventing the wheel".

 

Hugh, how long did you calculate it would take to flood your hull & equalize pressure?

I guess the fill process slows down considerably as you approach ambient pressure.

Alan 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:44 AM

Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Escape from a PSUB

 

I am behind on classes due to recent travel but here is a short reply to various issues of submersible escape and rescue.

 

First law of escape or rescue: KISS – Keep It Simple Stupid!  The more complicated a solution is the more likely your escape/rescue will fail.  By making a simple, well thought out pre-plan you have a much greater likelihood of surviving in an emergency.  The stress of being in trouble and trying to get out of the sub will add all kinds of complications in an emergency.

 

Many of the issues posted here in the last few days have been covered extensively in the past on this list and through one or more presentations at our annual conferences.  In these recent posts I note several misquotes and perceptions that will not be practical for PSUBs.

 

Naval submarines have many resources that are either not available and/or practical for a PSUB.  These large submarine have lots of stowage space (lithium hydroxide for CO2 and bulky escape apparatus but not enough for escape SCUBA tanks), a large segmented volume that allows escape to other sealed areas which also provides a large reserve volume of breathable air and capacity to hold a lot of CO2 before it reaches toxic levels.  This large volume (and mass) also lengthens the time before cold exposure becomes an issue.  These subs have multiple escape chambers designed with 2 hatches to the outside.  The one used for escape allows a bubble to remain in the top of the chamber that the escapees can use prior to ducking down and escaping to the surface through a short angled tunnel.  This bubble feature has since been found to probably be detrimental to a fast “press-down” to ambient outside pressure.  These escape chambers have a large apron around them that supports mating with a rescue submersible or bell (the size of the apron makes this not feasible for most PSUBs).  Finally submarine operators are trained in the use of submarine escape apparatus, have well thought out written procedures, and get a chance to practice in an escape tower. 

 

Throughout the history of submarines and submersibles, in almost all cases, an individual has a greater chance for survival through escape than if they were to await rescue from the surface.  And those that have been rescued from the surface have been on the edge of expiration.  Escape efforts should be started as soon as possible due to deteriorating body temperature and atmosphere quickly degrade both mental and physical capabilities of the escapee.  While ROVs are great tools underwater; finding one in sufficient time of a size large enough to assist in rescue along with deploying it can delay escape past the time that the escape can be conducted with any degree of success.  Last year’s hands-on exercise at the Conferences pointed out many issues with trying to rig a PSUB for lifting to the surface in an emergency.

 

When discussing PSUB escape and rescue, most discussions focus on a submersible the size of a K-350 as this is the most prevalent design and typical of the size of many other subs.  There is little excess room inside on one of these submersibles to carry “extras” for rescue so great thought and lots of talk with others experienced in escape/rescue.  As noted by others, wetsuits are probably not a good resource for PSUB escape.  They can become uncomfortable if worn throughout the sub’s dive and the cramped space does not support storage and donning in an emergency.  The issue of the suits buoyancy is not a reality until the escapee nears the surface as the material is severely compressed due to the pressure at depth (in 132 fsw, the closed bubbles in a suit will be compressed to 1/5th their original size, at 33 fsw ½ original size and thus decreasing buoyancy accordingly).  A fabric dry suit might be a consideration but may become uncomfortable in most instances due to not being able to cool off easily.

 

The rapid “press-down” to outside ambient pressure is completed quickly enough that the toxicity of oxygen should not be an issue (divers for years made dives on air to these depths for extended bottom times with not enough causalities to impede others).  The onset of O2 is usually gradual and has a series of obvious symptoms that presage a seizure.  While mixed gas could be used, it is an un-needed added complications that will be expensive to implement due to training and equipment.

 

While many have taken note of my warning of an almost explosive release of the bubble compressed in the sail when the hatch pops open, they have not focused on the solutions that I have suggested.  First the dogs to the hatch in the hatch should be released.  Sea pressure will keep it sealed until inside pressure is equalized.  Opening a valve to the outside will begin flooding the sub and this can be expedited by opening a vent valve on the side of the conning tower to vent the resulting compressed air.  Some air will still be trapped in the tower so the sub occupant(s) should start breathing from an escape scuba cylinder prior to nearing equalization (a head strap attached to the second stage of the regulator will be very helpful at this point and during later escape efforts) and forcibly bracing themselves for the coming hatch popping open and the outrush of trapped air that will try to carry them with it.  If they don’t, they can become snagged on projections within the sub and/or knocked out by hitting objects in the sub or by the hatch swinging back after popping open.  Once things quickly settle down in the flooded sub, they should pass their escape scuba cylinder (40 cf is a very good size) out ahead of their exit.  One hand should be above their head and one at their waist (the one at their waist is to clear anything that they may become snagged on while bailing out).  The tank shouldn’t be strapped to them as they will have much more difficulty getting out of the sub and a greater likelihood for snagging on something they can’t reach.  Occupants further back in a PSUB do not have as good of odds for escape especially when it has not been thought through and walked-thru ahead of time.

 

Once outside of the PSUB, a buoyancy vest can be inflated to speed the escapee to the surface.  Some issues to keep in mind here:  do not use an auto-inflating vest as you will be pinned inside the sub when it floods (helo crews learned this early on); it is going to take a lot of gas to inflate the vest at depth…more than what is found in common CO2 cartridges; your clothes are going to make it VERY hard to swim to the surface without assistance; and if your tempatic membrane was ruptured during “press-down”, your sense of balance will be way out of wack so up and down will be difficult to discern in murky water.

 

I have not went into all of the advantages to having a surface support vessel on hand above you with crew that are knowledgably of your operations and escape/procedures.  When the escapee is headed to the surface, they should keep a hand overhead to minimize the effects of coming up under the tender.

 

The above recommendations are based upon my personal experience as a submariner aboard US nuclear subs, training in an escape tower, many hasty exits from sunken subs during explorations, reading every book and paper on the subject that I could lay my hands on, building the escape simulator for a previous PSUB conference, the preparation and presentation of several papers on the subject at PSUB conferences, and discussions with many different PSUB owners.

 

Would write more but have to get back to school work…check the archives.

 

R/Jay

 

Resepectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

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