[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] water level



Don't forget to account for the possibility of having to adjust in the other direction - i.e. adding buoyancy to compensate for reduction in volume as the hull deflects at depth. For a small, shallow sub, this won't be significant, but as depth and the size of vehicle increase, the change in volume may become significant.

-Sean


ShellyDalg@aol.com wrote:
Hi David. A sight glass is the easiest to read on a tank, but it's not much use to us for variable ballast tanks. The reason being, it would need to be able to withstand a lot of pressure and they are hard to keep clean. The variable ballast tank, often called "hard ballast tanks" are pressure vessels that will withstand being opened at depth to adjust buoyancy when you're at your deepest operating depth, plus what ever safety factor you wanted. Although a simple "trim tank" can be used to adjust buoyancy at or near the surface, and then valved off with a set amount of water ballast in it, no adjustment can be made when you're deep unless the tank is able to withstand the pressure at your deepest dive. Once you open a hard ballast tank at depth, and close the valves to maintain that level of water, the pressure is "locked" into that tank. Then, when you get back to the surface, you release that pressure by opening the valve and letting the pressurized bubble blow out the tank. If you want to adjust for more buoyancy at depth, due to changes in salinity or maybe you picked up something from the bottom, you must blow high pressure air into the tank until the correct water volume is achieved, then close the tank off to maintain that level of water. Knowing just how much water is in your hard ballast tank is a problem.and one that I considered a while back. The "sight glass" method would require a very heavy walled clear tube with valves in case it developed a leak. I'm not sure how risky that would be if it blew out but it should be fairly easy to build. Another method would be to use a "see through"tank. There's a filament wound fiberglass/composite tank available called "Lite" propane tanks and they come in a few sizes, the largest being about 8 gallons for use on warehouse type propane fork lifts. These will withstand 250 psi ( with a safety factor) and you can tell at a glance how much liquid is in it. They come with threaded fittings molded in, and a metal "basket" that protects it from bumps. They run about $300 each I think. I'm leaning toward the see through tank right now, and have a place inside designed for it. That only gives me 64 pounds of variable ballast though. ( 8 gallons at 8 pounds per). It would be nice to have more adjustment, like if you found something and wanted to pick it up and bring it back to the surface. It's possible to blow a little air into the "soft" ballast tank for lifting purposes, but that bubble will become much larger as you near the surface, making it difficult to control buoyancy as your depth changes. Most psubs have a few lead bricks that get adjusted at the surface for how much payload you're carrying on any given dive, like an additional passenger, some added machinery or cargo, or what ever will change the total weight of the sub. Buoyancy is based on water displacement and total weight in water, so when you add a passenger, you must ask them how much they weigh and adjust the lead bricks accordingly to achieve "neutral" buoyancy. A hard ballast tank is required for small changes in buoyancy like salinity and temperature changes. For instance, if I launch my boat in the harbor, which is a river mouth with a small amount of dissolved salts, and then motor out into the ocean where the salinity level is higher, the sub is displacing more weight ( the water is saltier so is heavier ) so additional ballast must be added to maintain "neutral. It runs about 4% from fresh to salt water while temperature can add about 1%. These are percentages of "displacement" or the total volume of water displaced by the submarine. Several "high dollar" subs I've read about have as much as 240 pounds of "variable" ballast. Not sure how they achieve that, but it's useful if you plan on bringing back samples or stuff from down deep. Frank D.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas <http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009> for any occasion.




************************************************************************
************************************************************************
************************************************************************
The personal submersibles mailing list complies with the US Federal
CAN-SPAM Act of 2003.  Your email address appears in our database
because either you, or someone you know, requested you receive messages
from our organization.

If you want to be removed from this mailing list simply click on the
link below or send a blank email message to:
	removeme-personal_submersibles@psubs.org

Removal of your email address from this mailing list occurs by an
automated process and should be complete within five minutes of
our server receiving your request.

PSUBS.ORG
PO Box 53
Weare, NH  03281
603-529-1100
************************************************************************
************************************************************************
************************************************************************