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 Dean, 
In general the idea is to use a large 
diameter prop turning at a slow speed, it'll produce more thrust and be much 
more efficient. According to Dave Gerr in "The propeller handbook", the ideal is 
for the prop diameter to be one third the beam of the vessel. To give you an idea how much of a difference diameter 
makes, I'll quantify with an example: 1 HP at the shaft could produce 39.5 lbs 
of thrust with a 6" prop, or 62.7 lbs with a 12" prop. Does it really 
have to be direct drive, or could you use say belt drive to slow down the rpms? 
 
Just to recap the design steps I went 
through to answer this same question on my own project, they were: 
1) Determine largest diameter prop I can 
fit. In my case the limiting factors were interference with the surface, 
and the desired draft. My prop ended up being 16". 
2) Next, calculate the most efficient RPM. 
You can get it from: 
rpm^0.6 = (632.7 * SHP^0.2)/D 
where 
SHP = shaft horse power  
D = prop diameter 
In my case, I estimated SHP to be 90% of the 
motor's rated continuous power, which led to 652 rpm. 
3) Estimate propeller slip. Your prop isn't 
slicing through a solid, so it'll slip. How much depends largely on how 
streamlined the boat is. The normal practice in ship design is to base this 
number on comparison to similar vessels -- not easy to do for a sub, where I had 
no data at all. For a displacement hull surface vessel a normal value might 
be 45%. I increased that to 60% slip, because a PSUB is far less 
hydrodynamic than your typical boat. However my value is a total 
guesstimate. 
4) Estimate the vessel's theoretical speed. 
 
Speed in knots = [10.665 / 
(Displacement in lbs / SHP)^0.3]*(waterline length in feet)^0.5 
Translate to mph multiplying by 
1.15 
In my example, I get 5.68 mph 
5) Calculate the ideal propeller 
pitch 
Pitch in inches = mph * 1056 / (rpm * (100 - 
% slip)/100) 
In my case, pitch = 22.9" 
Now, because I'm planning to use a Kort 
nozzle, I reduced the pitch quite significantly, to 18. Then I went on eBay, and 
found a Michigan Prop 16 x 18. I can't remember how much it cost me, I got it a 
while back -- but it was probably small change compared to what they cost new. 
Another detail, it's what they call a "cupped" prop which refers to the shape of 
the blades. Cupped are most efficient for slow speeds, so that's an added 
bonus. 
I realize several parameters are 
estimates. My objective is to get into the ballpark of the correct values, and I 
do fully expect to play around with different pulley combinations to fine 
tune shaft speed.  
Hope that helps. 
Alec 
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 14:08 To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] buying a propeller I am in need of choosing a propeller.  
Any suggestions on what to consider? cost is for sure a 
factor. 
I am not gear reducing at this time so I am going to be in 
the 
1500 rpm range. I will be kicking up to 12hp and should have a 
range 
between 1 and 2000 rpm. 
My overall dry weight should be about 6000lb 
Any help greatly appreciated. 
Dean 
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