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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve



Jay,
         I saw that figure in the book I quoted, " Man beneath the Sea" ,  I'm not sure they are refering to the actual pressure coming from the outside sea pressure.   Perhaps they are refering to the pressure exerted by the plug outwardly against the wall of the opening.  In any case there would seem to be frictional forces that would come into play in order to hold something in place under that pressure.  The book did not explain that statement.   I think the pressure would still be 4450 psi at that 1/4" hole.  If you had a pressure gage on it would surely read 4450 psi.
 
Brian 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Jay K. Jeffries
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:49 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve

Some notes on this discussion:

1.    I have had the opportunity to spend some time in a US Navy submarine damage control simulator as part of a team that took on a series of leaks.  With a team, a lot more room than found in a PSUB (even a large one), proper damage control response resources, and cold water under pressure, we were hard pressed to stop a variety leaks that would be encountered aboard a submarine.  It was very stressful but someplace in the back of your mind you knew that it wasn’t real, there was a hot shower waiting for you, and there would definitely be at least a cold beer at the end of the day.  Aboard a typical PSUB, there has been little if any previous damage control training, there are few resources available to combat a leak, reserve buoyancy is at a premium, you probably don’t have someone to assist in combating the casualty, and it is VERY cramped.

 

2.    The actual pressure behind a ¼” leak at 10,000 fsw:
1 fsw = 0.445 psi therefore 10,000 fsw equals 4450 psi.
The area of a circle (A) equals π times the radius squared, where the radius in this case equals 0.125” resulting in an area of 0.0491 in.2
Therefore the pressure through our ¼” tube at 10,000 fsw equals (4450 x 0.0491) ~219 psi.

 

3.    A hatch that is leaking in shallow water may not stop leaking with an increase in depth as the inflow of water disrupts the seating pressure.

 

Later,

Jay

 

Respectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

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