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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve



Good morning all
I have noticed that recently a lot of discussion on the subject of sea cocks. Out of all the types of sea cocks, whether stainless, brass, bronze, or the various types of reinforced nylon they are all built to a particular purpose. The stainless is normally used in food production or destructive material movements (I.E. acid). Brass is normally used in low corrosion areas i.e. household applications. Bronze and bronze alloy are normally used in areas of high galvanic corrosion. And the various types of reinforced nylon are normally used in high-performance sailboats for weight saving gain.
 
If building in steel as most of you are, I would have thought that probably installed bronze would be the way to go. It is possible to obtain bronze valves tested to high values. You should also be aware that all the fittings bronze and all stainless should be properly bonded to a grounding system incorporating zinc on the outside of the sub.
 
It should be noticed that when galvanic corrosion attacks stainless, this is not so readily visible as when galvanic corrosion attacks bronze, this leads to a reddish tinge in colour as the metal dezinctinfy's. And is easily identifiable.
 
There are a number of books which readily explain these problems, a brief search on Google for galvanic corrosion in metal boats.
 
Regards
Martin
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Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve

Hi guys,

 

 The US Navy seems to prefer bronze over stainless for saltwater. I use stainless for welded components and bronze for bolt-on stuff. I also like to use ?liquid tight? flexible electric conduit for exterior non ?pressurized systems like ballast tank vent line. Liquid tight fittings are made to go through bulkheads (like electrical enclosures) and come with both o-rings and NPT so you can combine them with other NPT hardware. The hose-ends are union style and the hose is easy to cut/ assemble. The plastic (PVC) is UV stable and made for lengthy outdoor service. Best of all, it?s really cheap!

 

Greg C

 

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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of ShellyDalg@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve

 

Hi Brian. The stainless ball valves are the most common valve used for this, and although they do get harder to turn after a while, they are easy and cheap to replace. There are basically two kinds of ball valves. The more expensive type are "repairable" and have little bolts holding them together, while the cheap ones are simply replaced.

With the repairable ones, a little adjustment is possible by loosening the bolts slightly as the delrin seats age and the valve gets harder to turn. You can lubricate the ball on both types to extend the life a bit, but replacement is usually necessary after 3 to 5 years, depending on how often the valve is turned and how many pressure cycles it has withstood.

Depending on where you take the sub, that term can be shortened by how clean the water is, and of course what maintenance schedule you have. Salt water with normal particulates will reduce the life span, while sand or grit can ruin a valve very quickly.

The plumbing system should be designed for ease of maintenance, with high quality "unions" located in the line so replacement of individual components is possible.

Swagelock fittings and stainless tubes are good choices for the air system but very pricey in the larger sizes so typically the ballast dump system is hard piped.

Another choice is the use of "butterfly" valves located directly on the tanks, driven by electric or hydraulic actuators. You could even have a mechanical rod drive the valves, using the "block-V" seals where the linkage rod passes through the hull.

The number of through hull fittings is the same with both methods, two per tank.

I'll be using the hard pipe ball valve method because it's simple and cheap. I will flush the system after each dive with clean fresh water. But because I'll be diving the sub near shore, I expect to get some grit and sand  in there and will probably need to replace the valves fairly often.

A good quality stainless ball valve at 1-1/2 inches runs about $150, while a brass valve is about $25 to $50.

The ball and seats are the same, just the body is different. Pressure ratings typically are 600 psi. Exotic seats and high pressure ratings ( 1500 psi ) are possible but not needed in my application.

Frank D.




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