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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sound transducers

Jay,
 
  What then would you think would be the maximum range of a broadband voice system? Do you feel that 150' apart and both systems 150' deep is achievable? Is fresh water the best medium for this system?
  This was an attempt to aid two submarines working together or perhaps talking to its support boat. Do you think this goal is beyond reach with this set up? It was designed to be as simple as possible to aid persons not rehersed in electronics to be able to put these together with minimal assistance.
  You stated that salt water had odd effects on sonar reception as compared to fresh water...this was shown at the convention with boats picked up much better in salt water than in fresh. The acoustical pinger was masked by passing boat traffic.
   Please share what you know...
 
                                                                                                                                 David Bartsch
 
                                                                                          


 

From: bottomgun@mindspring.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sound transducers
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:57:58 -0500


Joe,

For efficient transmission, the signal is translated in frequency (still audible but unintelligible) to maximize range and single side-band is used to conserve energy.  Anything else will have difficulties of one form or another.  Opening a basic sonar acoustic text will document this, you can’t get around basic physics.

R/Jay

 

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas


A skimmer afloat is but a submarine, so poorly built it will not plunge…

 

 

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Perkel
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:55 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sound transducers

 

David,
 
Not having any field experiences and out of curiosity, this brings to mind a question regarding underwater voice transmission in general.
 
I've seen voice comm between Alvin and Atlantis, Calypso and the saucers, habitats,...etc.
 
Is this voice comm severely scrambled (distorted by the seawater), and then reprocessed by the receiving equipment?
 
Or, put another way, if I swim between divers with voice comm equipment, could I hear the conversation like I do prop noises?
 
Joe
 


 


From: dbartsch2236@hotmail.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sound transducers
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:36:04 -0500

   To all:
 
   The transducer for solids from which can be made the broadband voice transmitters are available on e-bay under "underwater speaker" at this time. These are selling for $26.95 but shipping is being provided. This is not a bad price if you were concidering delving into this area of study.
   With a singing machine that is battery operated, a voice transmitter can be made from the use of this. (It still needs to be imbedded in molding plastic to survive deep depths.) And you will still need a means of hearing the return responce.
   It sure would be great to talk back and forth between two submerged submarines or to your support boat without having to surface first.
 
                                                                                             David Bartsch



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