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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] planes control surfaces



Brent,
 
I don't much care what you call it, it's your thread.  I merely pointed out to you that using the phrase "braking flaps on the wings like they are on a airplane" is not accurate.  Had I known it was going to result in a six paragraph reply about how airplane flaps work, I would not have even made my point.
 
Regardless, carry on.
 
Jon
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:16 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] planes control surfaces

Hi Jon,

I stand corrected. I should of included the disclaimer of the author, I also didn't include the text that included who asked the man the questions and what the question entailed. That is why I included the link for the source of that quote.

Hydrodynamic properties and aerodynamic properties have a fair bit of cross over in my opinion, so I don't always look to invent some thing totally new, but look around me to see has been done in other areas. Even if they are from very different areas. Many things can be used very successfully for other applications. Just like Rain-X wasn't designed to keep tiny bubbles of submerged submersible viewports and other clear surfaces. The main point I was trying to get across was that flaps, once a plane has touched down are part of the braking system, and that some planes use additional flaps just for braking. The Deep Flight Subs show that aircraft type configuration work under water for flying/gliding underwater. Since water is far more dense then air those surfaces don't usually need to be as large, and the far reduces cruising speeds of the Deep Flight subs also changes things.

The term "stopping flaps" I used until I decided I liked the term braking flaps better. But even in that first post I used the term speed brakes as was used in the below article. This is how I put it. "You could install some sort of stopping flaps (speed brakes) on both sides of your sub that are curved to fit the shape of your hull. Much like a US Navy test sub USS Albacore."  Would you prefer I use the term hinged panels instead?

For my gliding subs I was talking about adding braking flaps on the wings like they are on a airplane, but with an additional flap moving upwards to keep the sub on the same heading.
"The Dorsal rudder was reinstalled and enlarged and the boat 
was outfitted with speed brakes. These brakes - another concept borrowed
from aviation - technology, consisted of 10 hinged panels ringing the
after part of the ship. When needed, they were hydraulically opened into
the waterflow, bringing the boat to a rapid stop.

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/albacore.htm


I worked up my concept for my double rudder/braking flaps with out seeing that it had already been done in part on planes. Seeing it had been done successfully on a number of production planes, made me for confident that I might me onto some thing.

Your resident possibility thinker ;)'

Regards,

Szybowski