Dean, 
    
I found a couple more items. I'm having trouble finding a picture of 
    the flaps open. I had one a while 
    back.
http://imageevent.com/albacore/albacorehistoricphotos;jsessionid=r9qabaad11.tiger_s?n=25&z=2&w=0&x=0&c=4&m=24&p=24
"The parachutes were attached to the after end of Albacore's fairwater
and successfully streamed while the ship was cruising submerged. The resulting
deceleration curves indicated that such a system effectively aided in 
emergency recovery." 
Project "Bailout" might not have been the most successful of Albacore's
tests but it certainly showed some creativity was at work."
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/albacore.htm
     
    
     
    
    
    
    From: 
    brenthartwig@hotmail.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: 
    [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stopping Flaps
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:03:24 
    -0700
Dean,
You could install some sort of stopping flaps 
    (speed brakes) on both sides of your sub that are curved to fit the shape of 
    your hull. Much like a US Navy test sub USS Albacore. Then operate them with 
    hydraulics or adapted electric actuators starting with a unit like the Lenco 
    Trim Tab actuators.
I've been planning on having this type or braking 
    system on my winged underwater gliding subs. With two stopping flaps on the 
    training edge of the wings. One opening up, and one down at the same 
    time.
"Built as a test bed for the U.S. Navy, the Albacore featured a 
tear-drop shaped hull, new diving controls, a dorsal rudder and a new 
high-yield steel for her pressure hull. In addition, the Navy, at one time 
or another, experimented with speed brakes, contra-rotating screws, a 
drag chute, camouflage paint and three different arrangements of stern 
control surfaces.
The NSF report ignited debate within Navy circles over a variety of 
issues such as the merits of twin propellers vs. singles, and the sacrifice 
of surface stability for undersea speed. The result of the recommendations 
and ensuing debate was the U.S.S. Albacore.
The Dorsal rudder was reinstalled and enlarged and the boat 
was outfitted with speed brakes. These brakes - another concept borrowed 
from aviation - technology, consisted of 10 hinged panels ringing the 
after part of the ship. When needed, they were hydraulically opened into 
the waterflow, bringing the boat to a rapid stop."
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/albacore.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Albacore_(AGSS-569)
     
    
     
    
    
    
    From: 
    Recon1st@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:55:44 -0400
Subject: Re: 
    [PSUBS-MAILIST] Air Tanks
To: 
    personal_submersibles@psubs.org
    
    Frank 
    I am using 12hp for my main propulsion. I gave up trying to calculate speed 
    but I should have
 
    
    plenty. 
    The reason for so much maneuverability is the bottom of Lake Superior many 
    granite boulders
 
    
    etc. 
    I will need to travel pretty fast to cover any amount of the Lake. I am 
    thinking of a 20 to 30' above the
 
    
    bottom 
    but at 6 knots or so when one of those big beast jumps up in front of me, I 
    am going to need
 
    
    options. 
    A transfer pump or sliding weight for sure would not fit my needs. I may 
    even have an 
 
    
    emergency 
    sea anchor deployment for quick stops. Reverting back to my drag racing 
    days.
 
    
    
    I 
    loved the dry dive video. I learned much watching it maneuver I have greater 
    confidence that my
 
    
    efforts 
    should yield the kind of performance I am looking for. Not to mention it 
    oughta be a real
 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    In 
    a message dated 8/24/2008 8:15:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
    ShellyDalg@aol.com writes:
 
    
      
      Hi 
      Dean. I think you're chasing the right idea with front and back dive 
      planes. I had considered that but let it go because of the extra work. It 
      just seems to me that back dive planes would be a real plus if you have 
      enough power to make them work. Did you see the "dry dive" videos? With 
      the center mounted dive planes the sub stays level when ascending/diving 
      but it would be nice to be able to angle the sub just with the dive 
      planes. Like you say, much like flying. I don't know how much speed you'd 
      have to get to make the dive planes overcome the front/back balance, but 
      if it's close enough to neutral, it may not take that much power. 
      
 
      
      Twin 
      trim tanks front and back with a transfer pump would help if the pump was 
      able to shift weight fast enough. Maybe a sliding drop weight would be 
      less trouble to make.  I will be able to shift the seat forward and 
      backward a little and I'm hoping that will give me a little angle change. 
      Damn, I wanna get this thing wet soon! Frank D. 
 
      
      
      
      
      
      It's 
      only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
 
 
    
    
    
    
    
    It's 
    only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.
 
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