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 Or the curious kids could find a small abandon sub 
hull washed ashore and work to get it operational.   
It just may have the name FREYA on the rusted 
hull. 
  
Dan H. 
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:37 
  PM 
  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Children's 
  author needs expert advice 
  
  
  Ray:
   
  
  Wow - thanks so much! Great info. I have much to think about now... 
  (Funny, it all seemed so simple when I first thought of it. Ha!) 
  
  
  One last question: What is a drug sub? 
  
  
  Btw, I like the idea of him finding one that needs refurbishing. That 
  might be more believable... 
  
  
  Barbara 
  On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Ray Keefer  <psubs2001@yahoo.com> 
wrote:
   
    
      
      
        HI Barbara, 
  See below:
          
          
            
            Date: 
            Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 8:19 AM
            
            
            I write books for children aged 8 to 12.
             
  
            I am currently beginning a book that centers around a 10 or 11 
            year old boy who finds a submarine kit (it was in a crate that fell 
            off a train). 
            
 
    Submarines do not come 
          as kits. You can buy parts, pieces, components, and raw steel but subs 
          do not come in kits. 
  Even if they came in kits,  the 
          parts may of been damaged, bent or broken from the impact from falling 
          off the train. 
  And certainly for such a high value item I 
          would think someone would look for it. With modern package tracking 
          they would know the crate was loaded onto the train at location A and 
          at location B it was not on the train.
  With the weight involved 
          the boy would have a hard time moving it.
          
          
          
            
            
             I need some advice from the experts: 
            
  
            Would it be believable that a young boy could build a small 
            submarine from a 
          kit?
 
      Perhaps one of the 
          Kent Markham's designs. They are ambient subs with plywood and 
          plexiglass construction. To use it the boy would have to be 
          comfortable around wood working power tools and be scuba certified. I 
          supposed a boy could just read a book on scuba but that would be a 
          very careless and  unethical  concept to put into a boy's 
          book. Please don't do it. Certainly no scuba shop would fill a 
          compressed air cylinder for him.
  I am not sure a 8 to 12 year 
          old could build a Markham submersible without help. A 14 to 18 year 
          old probably could.
  Currently Kent sells plans of his designs. 
          The plans were also in the old maganizes (1)(2). Perhaps the boy 
          stumbles upon a copy while cleaning out someone's (uncle, grandfather, 
          old neighbor) attic or garage.
  There is a scanned Mechanics 
          Illustrated (April 1966) article at http://www.psubs.org/magart/MI_Sport_Sub.html. 
          
          
           (1) "Build yourself this one-man sports submarine." Author: 
          K. V. Brown, Pub: Popular Mechanics,  June 1968 (2)  
          "Build this two-man sub 
          for $400" Author: W. K. Markham., 
          Pub: Popular Mechanics,  June 1971
 
   
          
          
            
            
            
  
            Could the kit be very simple - something like the Silent 
            Runner?     
          
          
          Plans yes. Kits do not exist.
    
          
          
            
            
            Would he have access to all the tools and parts needed? 
            
 
     For an ambient sub you 
          can use hand tools and powered woodworking tools. Drills and a sabre 
          saw would be all the power tools needed.
  For an 1ATM he would 
          need lathes, milling machines and welders. Unless his dad has a well 
          equipped shop and some how the dad does not notice the work being done 
          then a boy does not have a chance to build one on his own.  
          
          
          
            
            
            Where would he have to build it - a barn? a garage? 
            
 
     An ambient could. A 1ATM 
          would require a shop.
          
          
          
            
            
            Once built, could he maneuver it (on a wagon or cart?) to a 
            nearby pond or lake?
      Only an 
          ambient sub. The weight of an 1ATM sub would start around a ton and go 
          up.
          
          
          
            
            
            
  
            Any ideas or suggestions welcome and 
            appreciated.
      Possible 
          ideas: 1. He find an abandon drug sub, intact. A real sub, not one 
          of these David Boats they keep finding. 2. Over the years people 
          have built subs, then when the glamor wears off the subs get relegated 
          to the dark recesses of garages. Perhaps he stumbles across a sub that 
          is already built but only needs to be referbished to be usable. 3. 
          Perhaps swimming in a lake he notices a scuttled sub. After raising it 
          he referbishes it. The raising bit would add to the complexity. 4. 
          Perhaps one of his neighbor is into submersibles and has built one.
          Regards, Ray 
          
          
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