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Brent
No, no date for 113. Only a few have dates.
If it's any help 117 is 1976 - 1977.
But to throw a wrench into the works, there are a few that
must be out of sequence.
117 is 1976 - 77
118 is 1982
119 is 1976
120 is 1976
121 is 1977
122 is 1977
123 no date
124 is 1980
129 is 1979
130 is 1980
These are the only ones with dates.
As I said, I really don't have much
information.
Sorry, Dan H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:36
AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Brook's
#113
Was there a date for the #113?
Brent
From: Jumachine@comcast.net
To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:
Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown Connection Bars on my K-250
Date: Mon, 14 Jul
2008 17:44:25 -0400
Brooks sub was 113
Dan H
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:06
AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown
Connection Bars on my K-250
Dan,
Is
there a sub number and data shown for the Brook's K-250? I have reason to
believe my sub was built just after that K-250 was built. I know my
sub is from the earlier years of the Captains sub manufacturing because of
the reinfocement saddle collar.
If your information is
correct in that Raymond Dennis purchased #105 and my sub is acually #105,
then perhaps Dr. LeSchack bought the sub from him in addition to the sub he
purchased directly.
My
Trident Exploration brochure has pictures of two differnt looking K-250's.
The one hanging from a helicopter doesn't appear to have any side conning
tower viewports, the rear lower fairing is differnt then mine, and there is
no tangle guard or dome guard. I always figured this was just my sub before
it was refitted. Like I said it's a mystery, and until I talk to Dr.
LeSchack, I will likely have trouble getting to the bottom of
it.
http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2628470&pid=6671686
Does
any one here know any thing about Raymond Dennis and/or his K-250? I
did a bit of Googling without a hit.
Regards,
Brent
Hartwig
From: Jumachine@comcast.net
To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown
Connection Bars on my K-250
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:58:57 -0400
Brent,
105 is the first one on the list I have. It was
built for Raymond Dennis. No date or anything else.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:34
PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown
Connection Bars on my K-250
Thank you
Dan,
I'm not home at the
moment so I can't tinker with those plates, but I suspect your right
in thinking they are aluminum. I would suspect Dr. LeShack installed them
after he purchased the sub. The second and third owners didn't really do
any thing with the sub, but look at it and scratch there heads thinking of
what to do with it.
My sub
is designated #105 on the bill of sale from Dr. LeShack to Terry Anderson,
who was the second owner. I don't have the original bill of sale, or
letter of intent from the Captain. I would like to get those, or a copy of
them from the Captain and/or from Dr. LeShack, who I plan to look up some
time when I can catch a
breath.
What does your
paper work say for #105?
Regards,
Brent
From: Jumachine@comcast.net
To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown
Connection Bars on my K-250
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:18:48
-0400
Brent,
By weight, a magnet, a grinder and your eyes you can
pretty much determine what most metals are.
If it's heavy and fully magnetic, it's
steel.
If it's light weight, it's
aluminum.
If it's heavy and slightly magnetic or non magnetic,
produces dull red sparks with a grinder and looks like steel where you
ground, it's most likely stainless steel.
If it's heavy, non magnetic and the grinder doesn't
make sparks or makes very few sparks, you can examine the ground area and
determine if it's zinc, copper or bronze by the color.
If it's real heavy, soft and doesn't make sparks
it's most likely lead, or something combined with lead if it's not real
soft.
The above will always get you in the ball
park. Grinder sparks tell a lot about a metal. Of course it's a
crude method because there are all combinations of metals. But it's
a start.
If it doesn't show rust and is pitted from corrosion
but was used as a functional part, my bet is on aluminum. Throw it
away! It shouldn't have been bolted to steel anyway.
Yes, the holes in my pod mountings are so I
could get a line or chain in them and pull from there. To tell you
the truth, I don't think I ever used them but the holes were cheep to
make before the sub was painted, so I made them.
Unfortunately what I received from the Captain was
very brief. I was hoping he had a good easy to copy list of the subs
he built and maybe some information to go with each but not really.
I have a list of sub numbers and who some of them were made
for. He may have more information but I didn't get it.
Do you know what number you sub is? The
list is numbered between 105 and 131. It has the names of
the original purchaser for most and the dates for a few. I'm sending
what I received along with the list I compiled to Jon. He's the
keeper of the site and should have this also.
Dan H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:59
AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Unknown Connection Bars on my K-250
Greetings
Dan,
Is there any
interesting data in the materials you received from the
Captain?
Those bars we
are talking about are far more corroded then any of the surrounding
metal. So I don't think it's steel. Perhaps if it's not zinc, it us
aluminum. There is no rust coming from the chipped off paint on them. Ya
I don't like overlapping metals like that on the exterior.
Speaking of overlapping
metal. I saw a overlapping saddle collar like I have around my conning
tower on a new large storage tank that has a large access tube in the
top like are Kittredge
subs.
Dan are the large
holes drilled in the pod plates near the front of Persistence for
pulling it down low if need be? I like your idea of using solid
round bar stock rings. I think I can install a modified version of that,
of which will be hidden in behind the inside of the leading edges of the
keel skids. For this I would use round bar stock of the same diameter as
the existing support between the front of the keels. Then weld in a
quarter of a circle piece of those bars, with one end welded to the back
of the existing bar support out about 2 inches and then weld the
other end to the inside vertical surface of the 1/4" vertical plate of
the skids. This would keep the rope or chain attached to
the front keel support bar, from moving or bending said support
bar.
I do a lot of
sandblasting for my furniture business and fine detail blasting for
restoring old guns and
machinery.
http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=4001713&pid=10167592
I've
learned that if you put two or more smaller compressors together, you
can get enough CFM to do more commercial work if you don't have a larger
compressor. I plan to do all the blasting my self using copper slag
blasting media. It cuts twice as fast as silica, and is healthier for
you to be around. Once I've removed every thing off the sub, I need to
blast every part of the pressure hull inside and out. This way I
can do a much better inspection for any pitting and/or visible cracks if
there are any. Then I will spray on a cheap temporary high zinc primer
to keep the rust down while I replace a few thru hulls and add a few
weldments. Then I'll reblast every thing and apply a proper epoxy
primer.
"That man is the richest whose pleasures are the
cheapest." ~ Henry David
Thoreau
Regards,
Brent
Hartwig
From: Jumachine@comcast.net
To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown
Connection Bars on my K-250
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:32:02
-0400
Brent,
If your reconditioning the sub anyway just remove
them and toss them. Flat pieces bolted together like that are
a place to get rust forming that you can't get at. Best if you
toss those tabs and replace them with something made out of round stock
welded in place. Maybe two U shaped rings.
Are you considering sand blasting the entire
sub. If your going to strip it down and rebuild it, you may want
to consider sand blasting. It's the easiest way to work with
something like that. No paint to grind off, the rust is all gone
and you can see what your working with. You need someone that has
an industrial size blaster and a large compressor. Probably an
half day job. It's not cheep but worth it in the long run.
Enjoy and good luck with it.
Dan H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008
7:13 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Unknown
Connection Bars on my K-250
Hello
SMMO's, I have been
pondering what these flat connection bars are, that are bolted to the
top front area of my double keel skids. I suppose you could winch the
sub forward with them, but they feel, look, and sound like brittle
zinc anodes. They were attached somewhat haphazardly.
If anyone knows or would care to venture a guess, I'd
like to figure it
out? I have
not come across them in the K-250 plans. I was just going to
remove them and attach a zinc anode just below them on the inside of
the vertical plate of the
skids. Also notice that
the port keel is skip welded at the base and the starboard side is
solid welded.
http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2384531&pid=10166020
Regards,
Brent
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