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 Hi Dave, 
  
Thanks for the update. While I'm quite a way from you, 
(Wisconsin) if I get to your area I might pop in.  
  
Best of luck in your endeavers. I have my sub in the back 
of my mind for about 35 years and now it is finally happening! 
  
So hang in there! 
  
Best Regards, 
  
Jim Kocourek 
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  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:58 
  AM 
  Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: 
  
  Jim,      To tell you a bit about 
  myself...I work at the U.S. Postal Service as an electronics technician in 
  Jackson, Tn. but reside some 19 miles south on I-45 just outside of Henderson, 
  Tennessee. I am married and have been for 21 years. I am presently raising two 
  boys Paul (12) and Cameron (7) after having raised two other children who are 
  grown. I am 48 years old.      I served aboard the 
  ballistic missile submarine U.S.S. Kamehameha (SSBN 642B) and did thirteen 
  deterent patrols aboard that ship as a sonar technician. At the time, I would 
  have loved to have been anywhere but there, but now I would give anything to 
  go back. Being a crewman aboard that ship was a much simpler time for me. I 
  really did not get paid that much then, but I had money. Now, I make good 
  money but with lifes constant demands, I have little to 
  waste.      One day while surfing the web out of nothing 
  to do, I happened upon the PSUB web site. I stayed in the background and just 
  listened to the chatter. When I learned that these gents were going underwater 
  with no means of hearing what was going on on the surface, I decided to try to 
  aid them in making the sport of personal submarines more 
  safe.      I had already built many versions of the 
  amplifier needed to make my passive sonar work, what was needed was the 
  hydrophone. Unable to find anything that appealed to me, I placed the 
  amplifier on a shelf where it gathered dust for some twelve years. Then, the 
  internet entered the picture and away I was again on this quest to build this 
  sonar. It was also about this time that I found the web site 
  PSUB.ORG.      I have no submarine at present. What I 
  have is a 500 gallon propane tank that is in great shape and being preserved 
  until my kids are a bit older and more on there own. My wife has ailments such 
  that she uses a walker and stairchair and powered wheelchair. For the time 
  being, my dealings with this club is a passion that I use to escape from 
  the humdrum stresses this life places upon me. I am serious about completing a 
  submarine, but I see the need to first aid others in enjoying the friuts of 
  the many hours of hard work that is needed to build one, besides, I have have 
  already been there before.      The passive sonar array I 
  have constructed can be seen in the special projects section of the web site 
  and I have had a ton of help from many individuals who also want this thing to 
  work for everyone. It has been a wonderful trip.      
  Later this month, I will deploy this six hydrophone array onto the side of a 
  bass boat and venture into a large lake full of boat traffic to see how well 
  it will perform for real. It should be awesome! All of the individuals who 
  have contributed time to this project have agreed to share all finding and 
  construction tips with anyone who shows an interest free of any charges or 
  expense. A single modified hydrophone capable of very deep deployment will be 
  installed aboard Dan's submarine "persistence" up in Pa. and tested for real. 
  He feels a single hydrophone should do the job for smaller boats. I just like 
  training around without changing course.( A throwback to my days in the 
  Navy)      My address 
  is:                 
  David 
  Bartsch                                        
  2625 Highway 45 
  South                                        Henderson, 
  Tn.                                                             
  38340-7016      I will help you in any way I can in your 
  dream of submarine ownership, so ask away...is a passive sonar something you 
  would like to have aboard your boat?       
  
 
  
  
     
    From: kocpnt@tds.net To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Subject: Re: 
    [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: breathing easier Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:59:04 
    -0600
  
    
    
    Hi David, 
      
    While I am quite new to the group and do not have the 
    background that you probably have, I am wondering about your 
    background. 
      
    I do not have a sub at the present time and am about 
    40% complete with a 3 person sub that is capable of 1000 feet operating 
    depth. You sound like you have much experience and I would like to learn 
    from you. 
      
    I realize that I am being forward, but am curious as 
    to your the location of your sub. I am hoping that I can visit and 
    learn 
    things as I have with many other members. 
      
    Thanks in advance. 
      
    Best Regards, 
      
    Jim Kocourek 
      
      
      
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      Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:23 
      PM 
      Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: 
      breathing easier 
      
  My thoughts on this 
subject.
  
      
         
        From: dbartsch2236@hotmail.com To: 
        sjpearceqld@bigpond.com Subject: 
        breathing easier Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:21:30 -0500
  
        
        Stephen,      Thank you for stepping in with the 
        depth capability warning on Jon's supplied "dipping" hydrophone 
        construction plans He provided the group.      
        Having found this "pinger" project a interesting deversion, I am now 
        free to focus fully on the upcomming passive sonar test trials. It is, 
        after all, my primary research project. When Jon asked for help, I could 
        not refuse to assistance him. ( but now I am glad it is 
        over.)      I did not voice any concern to him, but 
        if unchecked, we in the submarine community, in concern to avoid 
        regulation by local Governments, could impose upon ourselves so many 
        SOP's to be more so than any Governing entity would have. I would 
        have suggested that rather than require a specific type of locator, some 
        form of locator be used that would be best suited to the specific 
        submarine operating environment for that particular boat. A compiled 
        list of options could also be made available for concideration. 
        Activities such as conventions could require 
        specifics.      In the event I were to complete a 
        submarine project,  I would utilize a sonar locator that would 
        activate following a short timing cycle. Should this timing cycle count 
        down to "0", this homing device would then activate automatically to aid 
        in my resue. I would never dive alone, and some form of basic deployment 
        intensions would be left on shore. (simular to a flight plan for 
        aircraft only dealing in depth intended and basic course 
        layout)                                                                                   
        David Bartsch
  
         
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