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Well there ya go Wil, you will just have to push ahead with your ideas and then truly see what the yachting community thinks about it, when properly exposed to the finished product. Of course there are almost limitless sizes and layouts for yacht interiors, so not everybody will like your choice of layout, but if they truly understand this, they will start to get your vision, as well as add there own to it.
I to love allot of windows in recreational boats, and as you well know Wil, you can make it pretty bright inside a sub with enough view ports in the right locations. It would be hard to compare to allot of large motor yachts window wise, but compared to sailing yachts you can easily compete window wise.
In regards to allot of windows in a luxury live aboard sub, I've been for some time thinking about various configurations of free flooding top side spaces with loads of windows. The windows can be from automotive sources, polycarbonate, or Acrylic. Also a internal and external automated freshwater rinse system used shortly after you surface would be very useful in saltwater as well as in dirty freshwater locals. Having a enclosed top side area is very nice for allot of reasons. Protection from wind, sun, rain and seagulls is a real plus. Also with the right remote drive system, you can control the sub from a nice top side location when surfaced.
It might be possible since concrete sailboats are a well established and proven concept, to design a sailing concrete submarine with a telescoping collapsible mast and rigging system. Some of my first submarine ideas went along this line of thinking, but with a steel pressure hull and fiberglass outer hull. But at the moment I truly favor the towing kite concept, much like skysails.com is working on.
One small disadvantage I see to a concrete sub vs. steel is that when surfaced you would have more freeboard weight to compensate for in ballast, to gain the same stability characteristics.
"What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything?"
~ Vincent van Gogh
Regards,
Brent Hartwig
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] live aboard submarine yacht - affordable
> From: MerlinSub@t-online.de
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:42:00 +0000
>
> Hull is 25-30 % of the cost of a ship.
> So if you safe some 50 % on the hull you safe
> 0,5 x 0,3 = 15% of the ship overall cost. Not much.
>
> Lack of space and sun is a serious problem for this big guys.
>
> Most owners come to us on the yard and say during developing the
> concept of there yachts: More glas - more windows more,
> space should be convertible to open sun areas..
>
> Today there is a market for submersibles as yacht-tenders.
> 2-3 person and not longer than 6 meters not heavier than 2-3 ts.
> So they fits into the tenderbay of their yacht and they can have
> both - sun, space and sometimes deep diving adventures.
>
> Maybe one or two, perhaps three rich man on this planet will build there own autonom big superyacht-submarines. I know some of this guys which have the right feeling for that. But this guys will ask there own designers and ships crew for proffesional help - like there captains to look around. And this captains will ask a russian or US or maybe german naval submarine shipyard with some approved boat for an offer..
>
> The way of building big motoryachts is not the direct way like: Owener ask yard. This way has much more filters:
> Owner ask his house designer - this one ask a naval consult to select a yard - this consult ask a naval supervisor etc.. all this filters have there own long term expierence with yachting - and believe me - no experience with concret subs.. They will go for steel.
>
> I will go with concret hull.. but I am just a not rich submadman..
> regards Carsten
>
>
> <clientes@tolimared.com> schrieb:
> >
> > Brent, i see no big problem in promoting submarine yachting.
> > Argumenting the benefit is easy. (storm safe, burgler safe,
> > independent, quiet sleep, economy, marina free operation, on open
> > ocean living, you name it - see it on my website ...)
> >
> > The problem until now was that building a hull size and form that
> > would allow "submarine
> >
> > yachting" was offered at "a couple of million dollars" building cost
> > and a couple of million of dollars maintainance cost - nothing else.
> > The only reasonable projects like carstens and peters, alicia from
> > marlinsub, did not target the yachting segment, Ben Franklin was a
> > concept study and a similar concept never got offered to yachting
> > market.
> >
> > So i am sure that as soon as we get the boat (we are building for Ian
> > right now) to water and move it up to california (showing it to the
> > public in each port) - we will end up with dozends or
> >
> > hundreds of orders. Simply because the questions "can it be done", and
> > "can it be economically
> >
> > viable" will be definitifly answered with a 200 ton 18m long YES - and
> > everybody can see it - no doubt about it.
> >
> > In fact with the prototype testing all concept questions are answered
> > since 1993/96 - the problem was that only a few habitants of a alpine
> > lake knew about it...and those are not the people that we are
> > targeting from a "marketing point of view" for implementing submarine
> > yachting.
> >
> > The breathing problem is a good example why making a yacht sub big
> > enough is so essential - the size solves a lot of problems - from CO2
> > scrubbing, to ocean crossing, to live aboard, etc...
> >
> > A person has a breating rate of 8liters/minute this gives you 125
> > minutes in a 1tonner to finish up the atmosphere of the artefact but
> > it gives you 25.000 minutes (416 hours=17days) in a 200 tonner.
> >
> > So this means a couple of days to come to the point where CO2
> > scrubbing is needed - problem solved - pellet cost cut - oxigen tank
> > and sistem cost cut. Sistem danger like bottle explosion oxigen fire
> > cut.
> >
> > So if you like plants and closed ambient experiments - enjoy the
> > challenge- but this is not a problem that will EVER come up in
> > submarine yachting practice unless you run a crew of hundreds of
> > mariners like a nuke sub.
> >
> > You are imagining a submarine yacht as something that has a big energy
> > need, giant battery banks, etc... you should get away from that
> > picture - that is military - step away from it - far away.
> >
> > The sistem we have in mind is floating on ocean currents, sitting on
> > water layer (like BEN FRANKLIN) whale like locomotion 14kg diesel use
> > per cruising day.
> >
> > Much more economic in fuel than a motor yacht, submerged cruising
> > needs 5 times less energy than surface cruising (
> > http://imulead.com/tolimared/concretesubmarine/anuncios/ay ) easy
> > handling - in fact we are developing the concept to "open ocean
> > living" concepts as we step it up in size.
> >
> > The only "sistem" that a submarine yacht has that a normal yacht would
> > NOT have is a hull capable to submerge, and a small ballast tank to do
> > so.
> >
> > So there is no "rocket science" involved and no "rocket science
> > budget" needed to pull it off.
> >
> > Of course there will be owners who will fill their submarine yacht
> > with tons of tech stuff - just as there are yacht owners to do so -
> > but this is not a MUST have -
> >
> > There might also be a green minded owners floating around on open
> > ocean, submerged, hearing whale songs moving with the currents
> > extracting a living from the sourrounding ocean.
> >
> > The problem we have at the moment is that many people can not see this
> > things as there is actually no boat out there DOING so - the last one
> > was BEN FRANKLIN decades ago.
> >
> > What we have to do is getting submarine yachting back on yachtmans map
> > and the ultra luxury segment is not necessary the best segment to do
> > so - the "individualisic yacht owner" is.
> >
> > The best way to promote the concept is doing it in front of the public
> > eye. This is what we are going to do and ians boat will be "first of a
> > kind".
> >
> > Wil
> > (www.concretesubmarine.com)
> >
> >
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