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James,
In writing "Nazi" submarines I simply tried to
be polite. In Germany you will typically say that the Nazi´s did this and that
- When the German guide in Concentration Camp Sachenhausen shows the
tourists piles of human hair and shoes - she does not say - this is
"German" industrialized murder - but that the "Nazi´s" did this...so that she
avoids being identified with it.
Today - I saw a picture on wiki - showing a
person in a Luftwaffe uniform lying in a bathtub with icebloks around him. He´s
is German - but unfortunately also a Jew. With him is two Luftwaffe medical
officers - writing down his reactions on paper as he is slowly freezing to
death. They measure time vs. body temperature and takes notes when he loses
continence and when the heart finaly stops.
This is not a German medical experiment - this is a
Nazi atrocity.
The submarines of both US, Soviet and German navies
killed sailors, civilians and soldiers by the thousand in much the
same way ( in the pacific theater death is caused but other effects - but result
is the same ) - and for that matter my own beautiful peaceful countrymen enjoyed
killing German soldiers AFTER the surrender by using them to clear minefields on
the westcost - by forcing them to walk though it.
In my humble opinion being humans we all share the
guilt - and the capability for war - and atrocities. Its not a German, Soviet or US specialty.
Submarines did their gruesome part - and may do it again.
One US Trident SSBN can destroy a continent in
about 15 minutes...and will do so if the President issues the order...I think
they have fifteen of those...fantastic machines...
Best regards, and back to joyrides in homemade
subs...
Peter
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:21
PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Yet another
"drug" sub captured.
I agree with you for the most part, how ever, I will disagree with you
about the nazi part. Nazi was just a shorted form of NSDAP, national
socialists german workers party. It was a political party. So, I
do seperate German Navy from nazi's, or nazi navy. As for the submarines
that the German Navy was planning onn building, yes the Type XIX and Type XX
were ambitious. They did end up using the Type IX, as well as the Type
XB for cargo. The Kraka is a very beautiful submarine. I would be
interested in knowing the cost of building the Kraka. And yes you are
correct, that there is no right way to do something that is wrong.
James
Peter Madsen <peter@submarines.dk>
wrote:
Sirs,
Submarine technology have often been used
for malice purposes - ranging from anti merchant shipping campaigns
during the two world wars to nuclear deterrent during the cold war and
today. Bad of cause depends on the view
- fact is the submarine comes out very successful in most of these
missions and may today be considered one of the most effective
navel weapons in existence.
If the drug smugglers did it right - with real
uboats outfitted with diesel electric propulsion - and using snorkels -
frankly the transit from south American waters to US waters would
be very safe for them - when having the alternatives in mind. Problems
arise when on loading and off loading the cargo - but even this has a
technical solution.
I am sure the submarine would serve its master
as well as it served the Germans, US Navy and Soviet
Red Fleet in its day. Drugs destroys the life of many people
- and causes an incredible amount of crime - and I hope those making
the profit will be on trail - but like the in the case of
the
Nazi´s I am impressed with the audacity
that they display by trying to build an functional long range
smuggling boat, while I hope for their
defeat...
One more reason - that I am surprised that the
highest bid for Kraka until now is 100 US $
It can take 500 kg cargo - it can do the
transit submerged and or snorkeling and can be outfitted for long range... :
o) and would be a fine iron coffin if anything went wrong...
There is no way to do something that is wrong
in the right way...
Regards...
Peter
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