RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pat's Group

Brady,

You chose to go way out of your way to destroy my reputation with this group. I was feeling pretty low until Jon and others took allot of heat off of me. It's just fine that some people here really like Pat and there is those that don't. At this point that's basically all there is to it, and we should just leave it at that and get back to learning and laughing.

I value this groups general opinion of me greatly, and hope to have many great years of research here, with a touch of fun and friendship. This is why I chose to tell my side of a painful story I had only told to two very close friends. I'm sorry that I felt I had to do it. In general this group has much better things to do then divide it's self over emotional issues. I do how ever believe in standing up for ones self and there friends in as much of a none emotional manor as they can muster. In doing so, many times it can be found to be a misunderstanding. I wrote several personal emails to Pat after his eruption, to find out what I could of possibly done wrong, and gave him several chances to back down and go in a positive direction, and he always chose a negative path. This is the starting model I did of Pats sub that got him so cross with me. Perhaps he didn't like it that it only took me a few hours to create, or that I put rust on the hull so it would look more like the sub while it was being built.

http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2628470&pid=7096078

I started this thread, please let me be the one to kill it.

Sincerely,

Brent Hartwig

From:  Brady Burkhart <braydeebee@yahoo.com>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:  RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pat's Group
Date:  Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:45:20 -0700 (PDT)

John, you sound like you are insane. Do you ever listen to yourself?



Brady

Ross Donato <hawnsling@yahoo.com> wrote:


Jealous.



Jon Wallace <jon@psubs.org> wrote:



Hi Peter,



No, Regan is not like that, and he does not always write
nice things about other psubbers. In the old discussion group that he hosted himself (prior to the yahoo days) he made disparaging remarks about PSUBS and the people that contribute here. I know, because I read them in his online discussion group before he closed it down. My feelings that he is egotistical and pretentious is based upon what I read in his earlier discussion group.



Regarding the yahoo group, he has every right to run it as he chooses. However, remember that you can't become a participant unless he lets you in and you can't enter/answer a topic unless he wants you to see it. Every
member request and topic submittal is filtered by him first. That means, what you see in his discussion group is what HE wants you to see. That's his perogative, but it doesn't promote open discussion and might prevent you from seeing topics that he disagrees with and/or takes him to task for his own ideas.



There are numerous people throughout the world that have accomplished more with submersibles than Pat Regan, and most of them have more expertise than Regan. Until Regan provides verifiable documentation regarding the number of dives and maximum depth that he has achieved in the Nautilus, it's nothing more than a museum
piece.



Regan owes a general apology to this group for comments he has made on his own discussion group. Until he does that, I will continue to challenge his credentials when his name is brought up in this forum as an expert or even as an "experienced subber".



Jon






-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Peter Madsen
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:21 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pat's Group


Dear Psubbers,

I wish to take no part in this stuf about who is bad and
who is good and only talks not build and so on... If you genually feel that someone does somthing bad and wish for all to know that - then please remember the "why"



Jon - why do you think Pat Regan is "egotistical, pretentious, and a bull-shitter" - ? I had the impression that he was a nice psubber from hawaii - who loves cupper helmets and writes nice things about other psubbers ? Is he not like that ?



I all - remember we share a wonderfull hobby and interest and both do´ers and talker´s may have someting to give...



Most really importent people are infact talker´s - J F Kennedy - Chirchill - Adolf Hitler - Werner von Braun - mostly talked...along with Josef Stalin and Albert
Einstein...



I will no DO som mere propeller mount stuff with two good freinds - that are definetly DOérs...



Best and kind regards,



Peter











----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Wallace
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pat's Group

I've not found Brent's interactions on PSUBS to match those described herein. Brent appears to me to be a person
with alot of drive and energy that sometimes makes goofy comments, but I find them humorous not annoying. He has offered to provide 3-D imaging numerous times to this group, and based upon the images I have seen him post publicly it would seem he's got talent in that arena. In my experience, Brent's description of Regan is spot-on except that I would add adjectives such to describe Regan.

Jon

PS...be aware that the Vulcaneers in the group forward posts about Regan back to him.
Hi Pat!


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