You right of-course. In a dry sub they could play cards while sitting on the bottom waiting for a fishing boat to leave the area, but they will
defiantly pay a price in top speed for hauling around the additional weight in ballast. And they already have a surface planing wet sub in production according to governmant contracts, but I have see nothing about its use or deployment.
The following is from an article on
www.specialoperations.com
Currently being tested, the SPWS design criteria called out for
the ability to carry a six-man team and 1,830 pounds of gear up to 165
nautical miles away on the surface or 18 NM under the surface. Surface
speed is to be around 30 Kts and submerged speeds are thought to be
around 6 Kts.
The SPWS is powered by a diesel engine on the surface and
batteries underwater, with the diesel recharging the batteries during
surface running.
I have a tiny little picture on my web site of the craft being produced by
STIDD Systems
Go to here
http://www.submarineboat.com/sub/submarine_101.
html#Variations%20of%20Subs
and scroll down a bit.
Wow. Just revisited the
STIDD's Military Products Site. Check this out:
http://stiddmil.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=
lastup&cat=0&
pos=4
I cant find a description but that sure looks like a low radar surface planing wet submersible that delivers teams along with their 2 man diver delivery subs. Very cool.
At lease I'll still have them beat on downward
visibility :)
--Doug J
Doug,
This looks to be a fast surface craft for longer ranges then a wet sub might have or be comfortable in. The longer you stay in water, the more your hands and feet will have trouble completing a task on land or sea. I would want to save my physical and mental strength for the greater task ahead, in stead of just showing I've got guts to survive.
On the surface I would expect this sub to be much faster then most wet subs. Also as you well know missions don't always go as planned and there maybe a serious delay required at the mission sight or on pick-up by the mother sub or other. If a seal has to spend a large number of hours freezing his arss off, he would likely need more down time to recharge, before he is ready for another mission.
Thanks much for the extra pics links.
Regards,
Brent
From: djackson99@aol.com
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rand Corp sub competition entry
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:37:27 -0500
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From: paulkreemer@gmail.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rand Corp sub competition entry
Doug, I think you gleaned more from the article and photo than I did! So the cockpit is centered, huh.
This new competition with Rand sounds like a follow on to the cancelled
ASDS mini-sub program. The SEALs wanted a better vehicle than their old wet
SDV. Maybe the ex-SEALs in the PSUBs group have some non-classified comments. Things they could tell us without killing us afterwards.
ASDS article:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/08/asds-minisub-program-taking-on-water-updated/index.php
keep on planing-
Paul
On 2/15/07, djackson99@aol.com < djackson99@aol.com> wrote:
Paul: Thanks for posting this. I of course think it's the neatest thing since sliced bread. I wish there were more details available. With their experience, team effort, commercial goal, and financial backing it will be very exciting to see what they achieve.
As flattered as I would be to think they took any ideas from my design, I doubt that happened as I am always looking for the low cost approach and focused on maintained good downward vis and low submerged speed. Perhaps the North Koreans will be interested in my low cost approach? Maybe I can sell a version to the Navy for interception practice? :)
Their cockpit looks to be centered which just makes sense if you're looking to deliver a SEAL
team. I do think they have over done the hype; a surface planing submersible as important as the helicopter? Ha! And besides the SEALS already have a surface planing submersible, it's just wet. I really don't see any real benefit in building a craft that will deliver the SEAL team in a dry environment when they will inevitably have to enter the water to make land fall. I do bet they can sell some as rich boy toys.
I'd be interested to know what you and others think.
Best Regards
Doug Jackson
www.submarineboat.com
-----Original Message-----
From: paulkreemer@gmail.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:16 AM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rand Corp sub competition entry
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