In my observations regarding money making tourist sub operations. It appears to me that the location is the necessary ingredient to a successful operation, not the sub itself so much. You need a constant flow of "willing" traffic.
Take Karl Stanley in Honduras for example. Not likely the locals do much recreational subbing, and just having "tourists" is not necessarily it either. Who are these tourists? I suspect most of Karl's passengers are the adventurous "globe trotting" diver crowd.
Same thing in the Caymans and Hawaii, it's "who" the tourists are, along with the numbers that will make or break you.
Joe
From: clientes@tolimared.com
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] do a serious concrete sub project
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:10:23 -0800
>do a serious concrete sub project
>
>Building something like a submarine with your own money and a vage hope that
>"somebody might buy" it later is bad business practice.
>Especially if you think about who would buy a submarine - military? - certainly
>not they build their own - scientific? - they would like one but have no money
>etc...
>So as a concequence most private submarines end up in a backyard although they
>may work very well.
>What you have to do is come up with a proposal and then see if you get a
>customer. If you get a customer you start to build.
>To do that seriously you have to do something like a "pilot project" that shows
>that your concept can work. Well i did that - the information is there on my
>website [http://tolimared.com/submarine] - so far i got interest for a deep
>diver for salvatage for a submarine yacht with yachting purpose and for a
>stationary hull with big viewports for tourist purpose. Which one i will build
>depends on which project comes up with a solid funding.
>
>I really would like to find Investors for a project like this:
>
>Build a hull, staff it out with a diesel, basic dive capability, and fine
>leather interior - then yacht around in the caribbean and collect interest and
>more construction orders. - Finally found a specialized shipyard where concrete
>hulls of different size and purpose are built in series...
>
>But i can not lift that as a single person. I need people with financial
>capability to share that VISION and to put "risk money" to make it work. - Can
>we get money out of the concept of "Submarine Yachting" - of course - can it be
>a business - of course a tremendous one - but who believes in it and is willing
>to put money - the tecnical problem is solved - the business part is still
>waiting...so this finally does not break down to solve a relative simple
>tecnical issue - submarines are around for at least 200 years... it is a
>question of making work the business part.
>
>Kindest Regards,
>Wilfried
>
> > Wilfred,
> > Why don't you build a sub for a purpose to make money and then
> > sell the sub and the business you have created all together.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <clientes@tolimared.com>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 13:53
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] do a serious concrete sub project
> >
> >
> > > Hello Carsten
> > >
> > > ..."If you find a client which want to pay the project - I am in the next
> > day"...
> > >
> > > - Here we come to the central point - if you want to atract investors to a
> > > project you need to have yust that - a project that makes sense - that has
> > > potential to make money - because that is what investors look for.
> > >
> > > Investors are not interested in a submarine they are interested in your
> > plan
> > > what you do with your submarine to make money.
> > >
> > > They are not interested in a diver lockout they are interested in you
> > capacity
> > > to reach something you can make money with.
> > >
> > > They are interested in the business aspect of your operation.
> > >
> > > So if we can put together what is the business of having a deep diver with
> > live
> > > aboard quality for 4-5 persons - and visualize it - we can share this
> > VISION
> > > with potential investors and get the money for the project - the money is
> > out
> > > there - but we need a project to atract it.
> > >
> > > Kindest Regards,
> > > Wilfried
> > >
> > > > > Carsten what would you want to do with a euronaut2 if there where not
> > such
> > > > > narrow limits of size and budget ? - are you willing to explore how to
> > push
> > > > the
> > > > > limits of size budget and depth by far further ? -
> > > > >
> > > > > Kindest Regards
> > > > > Wilfried
> > > >
> > > > Wilfried.. A more reasonable answer: If you like to make a study for a
> > sub
> > > > faster and deeper than anything else available (without nukes) than
> > looking
> > > > for a combination of concrete hull with Lithium Ion Battery or/and
> > Fuelcell
> > > > drive in combination with the new high efficency electric motors. Safe
> > some
> > > > money on the hull budget and spend it for the hightec drive..
> > > >
> > > > Go with the idear that the water tanks, hard and soft but also the gas
> > and
> > > > fuel storage tanks are just caves in the concrete and make the hole
> > concept
> > > > integral.
> > > >
> > > > regards Carsten
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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