Regarding registration: I believe we would be, in
both countries, safe if the subs were registered as electrically driven
BOATS. These are after all submersible boats, not submarines.
I don't believe I'm splitting hairs here.
They really are different entitiies.
Rick L
Vancouver
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:28
PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Law and
Sub
LMAO that is great that is what I thought. I don't even want to tell
anyone about mine in tx. it would take forever before anyone cared that much
to find anything out about wether it was legal or not. I have been looking for
months and turned up very little. so look on and let me know what I need and I
will take care of that later. as far as I am concerned they should know. I'm
not going to help them make me spend money now. even if I fished off of it and
dived when he asked for my fishing license he would love it and think it was
funnywhen I surfaced and told him I found in 40 yards away. I may regester
mine as a small vesel but thats about it.
-----Original Message----- From:
empiricus@telus.net To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Sent: Tue, 19
Sep 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Law and Sub
Even up here in Canada I'd be inclined to
inform the authorities when Magical Child gets built. It just makes
sense.
I wouldn't dare approach ANY military vessel of
ANY flag unless I've got a rotating beacon, flags out, sirens going and a
bottle of rum in my hand - unopened and gift wrapped. A nasty "ping"
from a sonar would just make my day . . .
We don't have a lot of paranoia up here -
yet.
Rick L
Vancouver
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject:
Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Law and Sub
Frank,
I live in S. Florida, a longtime boater here and yes, you are
correct, there are areas that are quite off limits. Florida Bay estuaries
and quite a few, "no anchor" zones in the Biscayne National Park come
to mind.
Here in Florida, I would need to register the PSUB as a "vessel / boat"
with the DMV, electric power propulsion, hull material...etc. No big
deal.... $30+ dollars annually,... just a little tax revenue for Uncle
"Jeb".
Too much government intervention would cause me to abandon the idea of
a PSUB as I have aviation, so those who would advocate that should be
careful what they wish for.
Interestingly, post 911, there are now armed USCG boats guarding the
main channel to the Port of Miami when the cruise ships are in port, "off
limits" to pleasure boaters. There is no doubt that they have specific
orders should you gun the throttle and make a run for the ships. Sneak
around there in a PSUB....and you no doubt have a problem on your
hands.
From what I have seen, those who successfully build a sub are quite
conscientious in it's operation. However, keep your fingers crossed that the
bad guys never pull off something big with a submersible!.....real potential
bad news for us!
Joe
From: ShellyDalg@aol.com Reply-To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Law and Sub Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:40:19 EDT
I have asked this question several times over the years, and found no
American agency which governs psubs. On the other hand, where you go with
your sub can make a difference. Some waters are protected by marine
sanctuary laws and even scuba diving is restricted. I know that Greece
won't allow anyone to dive in large parts of their waters. Mexico has some
areas off limits, and probably Florida as well. I read recently that
Silvercrest Submarines had one of their subs confiscated for diving near
the Galapagos islands. I think they leased it to some individuals and as I
recall, the Silvercrest people were being detained while the lessee was
allowed to leave. I'm also guessing that if you have a sub in the harbor,
someone from the government is going to ask a lot of questions. We need to
make sure we have all the required safety equipment and documentation
available so we don't get our subs impounded.
I think that the recent emphasis on port security will make it more
difficult to enjoy a psub. Surely they would be great for smuggling drugs
or immigrants or something, and that's bound to make the authorities
curious. These are just some thoughts I've had. Perhaps some of the more
experienced members have some first hand experience with this and will
share any advice or stories they have. If I hear of anything along these
lines, I'll post it.
Frank
D.
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