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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB



Personalities aside, you are correct. Decisions about the dive were made from the surface in those days, and the pilot's word was not final. And when they had a chance to lock divers out early in the accident, they failed to act on it. By the time anyone realized the import of that, it was too late--Al and Clay were too weak to do the work. It was a very sad deal, and certainly by today's standards, preventable. It is good to remember, however, that today's standards were set by yesterday's mistakes--including this one. Vance 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: empiricus@telus.net
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB

Ah, Johnson-Sea Link.
 
I understand there were circumstances surrounding that particular incident that led to these deaths being unnecessary.  Apparently those present differed with the published version of the event.
 
The deaths were, I understand, preventable.  The way the drama unfolded was what killed them, not the accident itself.  A decision tree that went awry.
 
Rick L
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: vbra676539@aol.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB

google up HBOI--an oceanographic research facility right up the road from me--astonishingly productive through the years, but they killed two divers in JSL-1 out of Key West back in the old days after the sub got trapped in a wreck. Clay Link and Al Stover died in the lockout chamber. It wasn't a happy time, and messing around with wrecks is something they do not do any longer, as far as I know.
Vance 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: empiricus@telus.net
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB

Hi, Vance - I'm out of the loop on this one: What's Harbour Branch?
 
Rick L
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: vbra676539@aol.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB

While you're imagining, give the two from Harbor Branch a moment of silence. Caught in one of those cables you were ducking, unfortunately for them, and died within sight of the gun barrels. Not too romantic while you're freezing to death, I'm afraid.
Vance 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: empiricus@telus.net
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB

I've loosely followed the artificial reef thing up here but never realised
you guys had one in Key Largo.  A psub is absolutely necessary to dive this
thing: over 500 feet long?  In clear water?  Wow . . .

You do realise, of course, I now have one more compelling reason to build my
sub.

I helped "de-complicate" the HMCS Chaudiere, a local artificial reef, -
pulling electrical wires, etc.

The SpiegelGrove, and other wrecks, would be an absolute treat for psubbers,
given that the vis in some of these waters is excellent.  I can imagine
skimming over the superstructures (ducking cables, booms, gun barrels . .
. )

Has anyone dived this wreck from the PSUBS group?  In a sub?

Rick L
Vancouver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Reef_Society_of_British_Columbia
http://www.artificialreef.bc.ca/OtherReefs/index.htm
http://www.spiegelgrove.com/


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 3:04 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB


> Hi Fanta,
>
> To demonstrate the power of nature and her ocean, this ship
>
> http://www.ecophotoexplorers.com/SpiegelGrove.asp
>
> Was sunk as a reef on her starboard side, then righted by Hurricane Dennis
> and is now on her keel.
>
> She is 510' long and 6,888 tons.
>
> While the Navy may very well dodge seamounts while cruising under a storm,
> the above example rules it out for psubs.
>
> There was a fellow who rode out Hurricane Andrew at anchor off Elliot Key,
I
> don't believe they ever found him.
>
> Joe
>
>
> >From: Fanta <fanta590@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Storm and SUB
> >Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Hello everyone,
> >   I have a question: are there someone here use a sub 1 atm for avoid a
> >storm or depression tropical, ouragan?
> >
> >   If you have an experience such that, please tell me: a sub 1 atm with
a
> >snooker can support a storm grade 4 or 3?
> >
> >   In theory, A Sub dive dynamic with a good snooker, it can past a
storm,
> >, can't it? how is the truth?
> >
> >   Please drop for me if you know, thank you
> >   Fanta
> >
> >
> >
> >Love and Peace, God bless you
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low  PC-to-Phone call
> >rates.
>
>
>
>
>
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