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    Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:35 
    AM
    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water 
    nozzle propulsion
    
    Hi John.
     
    Is your electric motor brushless or sparkless? 
    Take care if you install it in your battery compartment without first 
    isolating it from the batteries. Risk of 
    hydrogen explosion.
    Just an idea, but after you form the nozzles 
    from wood, have you considered using that to make a mold and pour the 
    nozzles out of brass? Brass would be more corrosion
    resistant than aluminum or mild steel. You 
    could go to a local foundry or even make the mold yourself.. You could also 
    use wax to form the nozzles
    and then pour the mold material over the wax, 
    and then when the mold material had hardened and you drill a hole to pour 
    your brass into the mold, the wax will evaporate and
    the brass will fill the void where the wax was. 
    Called the lost wax process for molding an object. Unfortunately the mold is 
    only good for one usage because you destroy it when
    you break it apart to get to the molded piece. 
     I am interested in these underwater 
    water pumps for sub propulsion, but I know nothing about them. Is it 
    something like the propulsion
    used for a jetski but with an electric motor 
    instead of a gas motor? Or is it more like an enlarged bilge pump in 
    operation? Or is it more like a submersible in pipe well pump?
    I only know about electric motors and 
    propellers like on my wetsub. The water pump idea intrigues me because I 
    like the idea of someone being able to install the electric part inside 
    their sub
    and the rest outside and therefore not need any 
    pressure compensation like you would on an electric motor with a prop. 
    It would be great to see some video of this in action 
    underwater.
    Bill Akins.
     
     
    
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      Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:46 
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      Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water 
      nozzle propulsion
      
Jon,
No, right now I know the predicted rate of flow 
      from the external water pump based on the known performance of my 
      hydraulic gear motor and the water pump itself. It is 4 gallons per 
      second, at full open. 
I expect I will have to experiment with the 
      shape of the nozzles to achieve the maximum thrust possible. I plan to 
      make the nozzles shapes out of hard wood and then hand form them out of 
      either aluminum or mild steel sheet metal. There is some data available on 
      nozzle shaping and I hope to utilize it in my fabrication. 
As to 
      the question of noise, that is pretty easy to solve using noise 
      absorbing/deadening sheet material like E.A.R. produces. I have a lot of 
      experience installing it in commercial aircraft and it makes a remarkable 
      difference. The DC motor can be isolated from the crew area by a simple 
      bulkhead, and the mechanical "compartment" can be covered by this sound 
      isolating material. I already know how loud the motor is as ! I have it 
      running with the system on my test bench. It would definately be possible 
      to install the motor in my lower battery compartment with little or no 
      trouble. The hydraulic lines do not care where they have to be run in 
      order to work.
John Gaertner
Keswick, VA