----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:35
AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water
nozzle propulsion
Hi John.
Is your electric motor brushless or sparkless?
Take care if you install it in your battery compartment without first
isolating it from the batteries. Risk of
hydrogen explosion.
Just an idea, but after you form the nozzles
from wood, have you considered using that to make a mold and pour the
nozzles out of brass? Brass would be more corrosion
resistant than aluminum or mild steel. You
could go to a local foundry or even make the mold yourself.. You could also
use wax to form the nozzles
and then pour the mold material over the wax,
and then when the mold material had hardened and you drill a hole to pour
your brass into the mold, the wax will evaporate and
the brass will fill the void where the wax was.
Called the lost wax process for molding an object. Unfortunately the mold is
only good for one usage because you destroy it when
you break it apart to get to the molded piece.
I am interested in these underwater
water pumps for sub propulsion, but I know nothing about them. Is it
something like the propulsion
used for a jetski but with an electric motor
instead of a gas motor? Or is it more like an enlarged bilge pump in
operation? Or is it more like a submersible in pipe well pump?
I only know about electric motors and
propellers like on my wetsub. The water pump idea intrigues me because I
like the idea of someone being able to install the electric part inside
their sub
and the rest outside and therefore not need any
pressure compensation like you would on an electric motor with a prop.
It would be great to see some video of this in action
underwater.
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:46
AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water
nozzle propulsion
Jon,
No, right now I know the predicted rate of flow
from the external water pump based on the known performance of my
hydraulic gear motor and the water pump itself. It is 4 gallons per
second, at full open.
I expect I will have to experiment with the
shape of the nozzles to achieve the maximum thrust possible. I plan to
make the nozzles shapes out of hard wood and then hand form them out of
either aluminum or mild steel sheet metal. There is some data available on
nozzle shaping and I hope to utilize it in my fabrication.
As to
the question of noise, that is pretty easy to solve using noise
absorbing/deadening sheet material like E.A.R. produces. I have a lot of
experience installing it in commercial aircraft and it makes a remarkable
difference. The DC motor can be isolated from the crew area by a simple
bulkhead, and the mechanical "compartment" can be covered by this sound
isolating material. I already know how loud the motor is as ! I have it
running with the system on my test bench. It would definately be possible
to install the motor in my lower battery compartment with little or no
trouble. The hydraulic lines do not care where they have to be run in
order to work.
John Gaertner
Keswick, VA