Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Freya

[Carsten Standfuss <Merlinsub@t-online.de>]

If you can build a airplane - you can build a submarine also.. 
..I can build both and believe me a aircraft is more complex. 

A submarine is from the physic a very simple machine. 
People here discuss sometimes very complex solutions- but normal you can
build such a sub with very plain technology. 

The problem on second hand submarines is that they normaly designed for
the very special wishes of her owner. You have to decide if you can life
with this very special solutions. 

Sgt.Peppers for example is a boat without a sail and a very low
freeboard- only useful in Lakes without waves. If you life on a ocean or
a big lake with fast motorboats...
 
Freya is also a very special boat designed for shallow harbour waters. 
If you life on a deep lake or ocean... 

To say I want a psub - because it is on the market is the same as to say
"I want a onshore vessel with four wheels" - can be anything from a
small Porsche up top a heavy truck. 

The question is more to ask : What should "my " vessel do for me ? 
Than look with this defintion what the market has. And in 95 % of the
vessel you  will not find your definitions - and than start to build
your own.   

regards Carsten


Joseph Perkel schrieb:
> 
> Bill, Carsten
> 
> As Al pointed out, she wont fit in the UPS overnight
> express envelope. I was aware of Freya being for sale before I joined
> the group. She's a fine boat, a testament to her builders passion and
> skill but, she will never really be any one else's boat now will she?
> (Rhetorical question)
> 
> I could build an airplane, that is a certainty as I have expertise in
> that field...but nothing "speaks" to her owner quite like a seagoing
> vessel and submarines are... well special. To actually design and
> build a functional one is a rare individual lifetime achievement. A
> lot of people can climb Everest, just pay your money and go fall off,
> but this...is really special.
> 
> Eventually, I will learn this business and get down to making a
> memory.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
>      ------------------------------------------------------------
>      From:  Carsten Standfuss <Merlinsub@t-online.de>
>      Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>      To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>      Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Free Flooding Spaces
>      Date:  Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:41:34 +0100
>      >Ask him directly..
>      >
>      >http://www.submarines.dk/
>      >
>      >regards Carsten
>      >
>      > > Akins schrieb:
>      > >
>      > > Hi Joe.
>      > >
>      > > I know you wanted a WW2 somewhat looking sub design. I
>      heard that
>      > > Freya was for sale at one time by Peter Madsen.
>      > >
>      > > Have you checked out Freya yet Joe? She has that WW2
>      look about her.
>      > > She was originally diesel/electric but I heard
>      > >
>      > > Peter removed the diesel to make it less cramped and now
>      Freya is only
>      > > electric. I wonder if she is still for sale and if she
>      > >
>      > > is, for how much? The advantages would be she is already
>      built and
>      > > working with view ports and all, the disadvantages
>      > >
>      > > would be the cost and she is only set up with electric
>      motors right
>      > > now so her range is more limited. But she had a diesel
>      > >
>      > > in her before, perhaps you could replace it again and
>      have both diesel
>      > > and electric.
>      > >
>      > > Does anyone know if Peter still wants to sell Freya and
>      for how much?
>      > >
>      > > Bill.
>      > >
>      > >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
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