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 Reading the psubs posts about variable ballast calculations made me 
think of the things below.  
Why variable ballasting made me think about them will become 
clear towards the end of this post,  
but enjoy the links at the beginning of my below post first, then you will 
see the connection. 
Four confederate submarines like the Hunley are 
buried in earth that once was covered by a river in Lousiana. A situation 
 
similiar to the recovery site of the steamboat 
"The Arabia" in that the river changed its course 
from where the confederates  
scuttled the subs to prevent Union capture. The 
four confederate subs are there to this day waiting for someone to dig them 
up 
on DRY land! Check it out at this below 
link. 
FIVE CONFEDERATE SUBMARINES AT 
BUILT AT SHREVEPORT  
A while back I wrote a section/link there 
called...  " How 
did the Hunley's ballast tanks work and how did she 
submerge?"  
and was answered by this section 
link....  Michael Crisafulli ANSWERS who 
is a conservator archaeologist 
currently working on the Hunley. Mr. 
Crisafulli supported my hypothesis that the Hunley was (TECHNICALLY) 
ambient WHEN  
her ballast tank inlet valves were OPEN and water was filling her open to the hull 
interior tanks compressing her atmosphere.  
Then when the ballast tank valves were closed and AFTER the water was pumped out of the tanks, she 
became a 1 atm sub again.  
It appears my claimed theory that the Hunley was a hybrid of both systems is likely 
correct according to a conservator of the Hunley. 
I may be a "Hunley Bunley" (whatever that is! Lol) 
but my theories were vindicated. It appears 
I wasn't a "candle waster" after all for  
defending my theories to critics who claimed the 
Hunley was ONLY a 1 atm sub and NEVER ambient. Perhaps who called me 
that 
might burn a few more candles of their own in 
studying next time before they cast dispersions.  The Hunley conservator agreed with me, 
even though he said it was TECHNICALLY ambient 
because of the smallness of the ballast tanks. Technically or not, Hunley 
was both ambient AND 1 atm. 
A hybrid like I thought. He also agreed I may very 
well be correct that the Hunley was ALWAYS just slightly buoyant and that she 
may have pushed herself  
underwater with her forward motion and dive planes 
and then when the water pressure was greater than the trapped interior 
atmosphere, her ballast tanks would  
begin filling when their valves were opened. 
Similiar to the Holland sub which was previously thought to be the U.S. Navy's 
first sub until the existance of the  
Alligator was discovered, wherein the Holland was 
ALWAYS slightly buoyant and kept under only by her forward motion and dive 
planes. 
Here's the site's homepage main link 
below. 
Seeing that the Hunley's internal and 
open to the hull interior ballast tanks were very likely a hybrid 
ambient/1atm, I thought it might be usefull for some of our members who want 
to 
construct their own small ambient subs to consider 
this... Imagine utilizing a system wherein your sub was ambient when the open to 
the interior ballast tanks  
were filling, which compresses the air INSIDE the sub and you could pump the water back out WITHOUT 
having to have ANY compressed air 
to do so. That would save space and weight since 
you would not need compressed air to blow your ballast tanks. Then you could 
close off the 
ballast tank inlet valves to keep any more water 
from coming in once you were neutrally buoyant underwater. The beauty of this 
hybrid system would 
be that although your sub would TECHNICALLY be 
ambient when the valves were open and the water was compressing the interior 
atmosphere, it would 
not compress it very much if you made the sub heavy 
enough so that the ballast tanks did not have to be large. Also the small, 
technically ambient, compressed hull 
atmosphere, would not be much of a 
concern for human body decompression at all even with the tanks completely full, 
and then you would close off the valves to prevent  
further water filling the tanks and you could even 
go deeper (if your hull was strong enough and by forcing the sub 
deeper with your dive planes) without having to have your atmosphere 
further compressed  
because you closed off the ballast tanks water inlet valves. So although your interior atmosphere 
was now compressed a small amount, you would not further compress your 
atmosphere  
by going deeper. If you went deeper you would of 
course have to have attributes of a pressure hull. Remember however; you would 
have a small amount of pressurized atmosphere 
inside the hull pushing outward a little which 
would help you some against the outside water pressure before your hull 
started to have pressure exerted against it from the outside. 
This might be a good idea for a design that allowed 
you to go a little bit deeper than most ambient subs (because of no 
decompression limits) but still staying shallower than most 1 atm subs. Do 
you see what I mean here? 
I mean you could go deeper than a typical ambient 
because you can CLOSE OFF the compression of the interior atmospere so 
your body wouldn't be under much compression like in a typical 
ambient 
and therefore you could go deeper than normal no 
decompression scuba depths dive tables allow in a TYPICAL ambient 
sub.  
This hybrid system is something that no one here at Psubs has ever built (or even discussed 
building) to my knowledge. With modern technology and construction and with more 
safeguards built in than the Hunley 
had, this ambient/1atm hybrid system has real 
possibilities. After I finish my wetsub project and IF (BIG "IF" here) I ever 
build an ambient I might build consider building a hybrid design like this 
myself. 
Who know? Maybe I could make it look like a mini 
Hunley. But I'd want a bit higher hatch tower. Too easy to be swamped otherwise. 
AND I'd want the interior ballast tanks to not have open tops that 
could 
spill into the hull interior, but instead have the 
tank tops closed but with a valve on their tops that would allow the water 
pressure to pressurize the interior air. That way I could close off the valves 
on the tank tops 
and never have to worry about the tanks spilling 
into the interior. The most they could do would be to squirt out the valve tops 
until I could close them if I forgot to close them to begin with. Much safer 
than total open 
top ballast tanks open to the hull interior, but 
still allows the atmosphere to be compressed. 
Bill. 
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