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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless hatch ring



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Rick,
 
   I don't know what technically makes the metal more brittle, I only know it does.  I think it's possible that due to the negative charge put into the metal for an extended period of time from the plating process actually forces the molecules apart due to like forces repulsing each other.  This is just my theory. 
 
    There is actually no heat involved in the plating process.  It's all done electrically by submerging the plated piece in a disolved chromium bath.  The piece to be plated is given a neg charge while the disolved chromium in the bath is charged pos.  The chromium then gets attracted to the metal and coates it in microscopic layers.  This same process is used for all kinds of plating.
 
   I did an experiment with a chrome plated piece of steel (I don't know the composition of this piece) round stock 1" thick and bent it in a 20 ton press.  The chrome plated piece broke before the non chrome plated piece.  I had always heard that chrome pieces were more brittle but I wanted to see for myself.  I saw.
 
   I don't think chrome plated metal has any place on a sub.
 
Myles.
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless hatch ring

myles
 
      what causes it to become more brittle not enough heat to effect temper
 
rick m
----- Original Message -----
From: Myles Hall
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless hatch ring

Gents,
 
   The chrome plating process makes the metal more brittle.  Brittle in sub = bad.  Save the shiny stuff for other things.
 
Myles.
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless hatch ring

brian how about just plate the ring with chrome.
rick m
----- Original Message -----
From: Alec Smyth
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless hatch ring

Brian,
 
I think you're fine as is. The one that's really nice to have in stainless is the ring that your hatch lands on, because in getting in and out you scratch tha paint very easily there. But that said, all the home built subs I've seen so far have steel lands due to the cost of a large stainless ring. The "pro" subs have SS there, we just repaint. 
 
rgds,
 
Alec
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox [mailto:OjaiValleyBeeFarm@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:00 PM
To: Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stainless hatch ring

When I put together my domed hatch ( in my machining class)  I first had the hemisphere fabricated and then I had a 2" ring welded to the edge of the hemisphere.    At the time I was not really clear on how everything was going to come together and now in hind sight I realize that the 2" ring that I welded on should have been stainless steel instead of what I used. 
 
My question is,  can I fabricate a stainless ring and connect it to what I have now ?   I could remove some of that material ( the ring part ) which is 3/4" thick so as to reduce the weight.  I'm afraid if I don't make that ring part thinner the hatch will be too dam heavy.
 
If I do add this new stainless ring should I just weld it to the existing ring?  and then put it in a giant lathe and machine it true?
 
Here is a picture of the hatch cover:
 
 
Thanks
 
Brian