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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub building business
I agree with you. This is why I didn't want the
license of OSS to limit comercial involvement that was
of a supporting nature. Why kill any efforts at
development? Why stiffle parts manufacturing when such
parts availability could only increase the popularity
of the design and, consequently, it's development?
Warren.
--- SIMON WALKDEN <mrsym0r@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking over all the posts here, it seems most
> people here have built
> their K type submarines because detailed plans were
> available for them
> at the time, and they'd been tried and proven to
> work; with some minor
> complications that tend to annoy people, however (
> internal ribs for
> digging into your knees, open ballast tank design
> etc ).
>
> You've got the experience building the submarines.
> You know what you
> do and don't like them to do. Why not start a-fresh?
>
> Why not complete the open source submarine design,
> and use that for
> your sub building business?
>
> It's something that can be built from the ground up,
> can be modified
> over time without licensing issues.. because of its
> open source
> classification, i'm sure the guys in the open source
> software
> community would be more than willing to develop a
> software system for
> controlling the submarine.
>
> Design everything from the ground up, for a specific
> purpose, and as
> you see fit. You can't go wrong with that.
>
> Just my humble thoughts, anyway :-)
>
> -Simon
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:24:01 +0100, Carsten
> Standfuss
> <MerlinSub@t-online.de> wrote:
> > I have a a one-man sub build. Will never again
> build one for me.
> > At least a two man is required. 20% more cost and
> 100% more fun.
> > regards Carsten
> >
> > Dan H. schrieb:
> > >
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > It's a lot of fun searching the bottom for
> something, or nothing at all, but
> > > the most fun is when your doing it with another
> person in the sub. You get
> > > to share and talk over the experience while it's
> happening and for a long
> > > time afterward. A two place is definitely more
> fun then a one place sub.
> > >
> > > Dan H.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
> > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub building
> business
> > >
> > > > Personally I don't want to be smelling someone
> else's farts while I'm
> > > trying to maneuver my sub, and I certainly don't
> need a back seat driver
> > > either. Let the other passenger get his own sub!
> For me a one man sub is
> > > better since space can be kept at an absolute
> minimum that way things can be
> > > optimized for overall weight, handy when
> launching.
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory B. Snyder" <snyder@mnrad.com>
> > > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:10 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub building
> business
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi guys -
> > > > > For what it's worth, I agree with Vance -
> I'd love to have a vessel
> > > > > capable of 300 - 500 ft with a main front
> view port dome or flat window,
> > > > > manipulator arm and conning tower viewport.
> The acrylic tube slice
> > > > > sounds great - but what about cost, and how
> many dive cycles till it
> > > > > needs to be changed?
> > > > > Room for 2 at a minimum, three is a plus.
> > > > > Thanks-
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > >
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On
> Behalf Of john
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 4:57 PM
> > > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub building
> business
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vance
> > > > > Tell me more about the Minn Kotas that held
> to
> > > > > > nearly 1200 feet in a test tank
> > > > > John
> > > > > --- VBra676539@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 12/21/2004 6:41:14 PM
> Eastern
> > > > > > Standard Time,
> > > > > > mongo14904@yahoo.com writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > > I have been thinking about looking for
> investors
> > > > > > To invest K-sub production. I put it to
> the group
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > opinions...does anyone think that there is
> small or
> > > > > > large
> > > > > > demand for K-subs in the world. I am
> currently doing
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > market ability study for this. And would
> appreciate
> > > > > > any input or ideas.
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merry Christmas John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure if there is a market for
> Model T
> > > > > > submersibles, as George had a
> > > > > > whale of a time but didn't make much
> money. There
> > > > > > are some wonderful upgrades,
> > > > > > however, which might let you modify the
> > > > > > house-that-George-built into something
> > > > > > more modern. There is a lot of interest
> out there,
> > > > > > but the prices are too
> > > > > > steep for ready-made subs. P. Nuytton
> built Sea
> > > > > > Urchin in an effort to create a
> > > > > > $50 K sub, and I think it turned out iffy
> > > > > > (price-wise), and he hasn't pursued
> > > > > > it as far as I know. Maybe he will chime
> in and tell
> > > > > > us why. The design is
> > > > > > pretty cool, and substantially lighter
> than the
> > > > > > K-models (not much over half), so
> > > > > > that might be something to think about, as
> well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Off-the-shelf thrusters (I've seen
> modified
> > > > > > big-frame Minn Kotas that held to
> > > > > > nearly 1200 feet in a test tank, and would
> work like
> > > > > > a charm at 350--for less
> > > > > > than a thousand bucks), better motor
> controllers,
> > > > > > package lights, larger
> > > > > > viewports (6 in the conning tower, I would
> think, or
> > > > > > an acrylic cylinder in place
> > > > > > of the steel one--and a Jago-style dome in
> the bow).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe go to external ribs, rather than
> internal. For
> > > > > > all practical purposes,
> > > > > > it won't make any difference
> strength-wise, and will
> > > > > > be a lot easier on the
> > > > > > elbows. Keep it simple, of course. That
> would be the
> > > > > > key to it. I prefer the
> > > > > > option of being able to sit up in the
> conn, or lay
>
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