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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Two man sub on ebay (or buying used submarines)
Hi,
I think Adam just coined another slang word for PSUBS.
"flower pot position"
Definition:
What should happen to a sub that either needs to be retired from age,
poor designing, or poor construction. I.e. become a planter box in the
garden. Hopefully with some big holes cut into the hull to keep someone
else from trying to use it.
Which brings up another thread. How does one decomission a sub?
Regards,
Ray
Adam Lawrence wrote:
> I'm not try to discourage anyone from buying the sub, but it does look like
> it is at least ready to assume the "flower pot" position, hopefully it makes
> it into water.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "irox" <irox@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Two man sub on ebay (or buying used submarines)
>
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>
>>Dan, thanks for the tips.
>>
>>Here is a bigger picture:
>>http://www.watercraft.gs/uploads/adphotos/a30p1553012798orig.jpg
>>
>>It seems to have a built in trailer, which while interesting, isn't
>>something I'm
>>really keen on. Atleast not on the implementation in the picture. But it
>>does
>>look like it could be easily removed with bolts. Should I buy it I might
>>consider
>>putting K350 style battery pods using the bolt holes from the tailer bits.
>>
>>I'll pay close attention to the welds. The welder/NDT talk from the first
>>Psubs convention is coming back to me now (I'll review the notes from
>>that talk before I view the sub).
>>
>>The end-cap thickness tip is a good one. I might beable to measure the
>>thinkness through the main (down pointing) view port (assuming it has
>>one).
>>
>>From the picture is appears that the builder was not planning on putting
>>in a rear thruster (something I might change - since I'm not planning on
>>side thrusters).
>>
>>I'm not too keen on the MBTs either, but it's a clever idea. According to
>>the guys I talked with today, it's got plumming and gauges inside, but
>>they don't really know much about submarines.
>>
>>Thanks,
>> Ian.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Dan H." <jmachine@adelphia.net>
>>Sent: Nov 24, 2004 2:46 PM
>>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Two man sub on ebay (or buying used
>>submarines)
>>
>>Ian,
>>
>>It sure looks strange with the tires hanging off of it but It's an idea.
>>The pic is so small that it's difficult to see much. One thing for sure,
>>it
>>doesn't look much like the Lake Diver pic they're using to sell it with.
>>I'd say it's just about fraudulent to sell it with that pic.
>>
>>Since there isn't any external battery pods I'd say it's a deviation of a
>>K-250 not K-350. I can't see if there's a rear thruster. K-350 has a rear
>>thruster. The hull ends are 3/8 thick on a K-350 and only 1/4 thick on a
>>K-250 but you won't be able to measure it with out drilling a hole.
>>
>>Since it's never seen water, rust shouldn't be an issue. Just take a good
>>look at the welds. Visual inspection isn't all there is to it, but if
>>they
>>look good, at least they might be good to the root. Just look at the
>>overall workmanship. If the builder spent the time and made what you see
>>look good, what you can't see is more likely to be good as well.
>>
>>Is it plumbed for air and tank vents and wired for power including fuses,
>>lights and thru hulls? The e-bay add implies it is. But they don't seem
>>to
>>know much.
>>
>>If it's only a painted hull, it's about half done.
>>
>>Good luck, Dan H.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "irox" <irox@ix.netcom.com>
>>To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:35 PM
>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Two man sub on ebay (or buying used submarines)
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>from talking with one of the current owners, I think that it's this
>>>submarine here:
>>> http://www.watercraft.gs/listing.php?main=Submersibles
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the people who are selling it didn't build it and don't
>>
>>know
>>
>>>anything about it. So I've been unable to ask questions about the origin
>>>of the steel, fittings, pipes, qualitiy of the welds, etc... They are
>>>not
>>
>>sure
>>
>>>if it's a K350 or a K250 that's been modified. Built in trailer,
>>
>>interesting,
>>
>>>but I'm not sure it'll stay that way if I own it. It does appear to have
>>>internal battery box, everything else I know
>>>
>>>I'm going to try and see it as soon as possible.
>>>
>>>I think with subs getting more popullar we'll need to write a guide
>>>to buying used submarines.. ;-)
>>>
>>>Any tips (K250 vs K350 type differences, mistakes to look for, etc.) will
>>>be most welcome.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>>
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