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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
I don't mean to be negative about CA. And I love San Diego, thought
about moving there at one time. I was in business in CA for nearly
25years. CA is over taxed, over-regulated, and not very friendly towards
small business. That's been my experience and for friends and
associates.
Southern Nevada is jokingly referred to as LA East or the California
Annex
for the number of businesses who have moved here from CA.
sorry about that, --Steve
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:25:04 -0700 "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
writes:
> Have you considered So. Cal ?
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warren Greenway
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
>
>
> That is exactly what I am trying to decide. I know it sounds a
> little
> crazy to have all of
> my belongings in boxes and still not know where I am going, but
> that
> is the way of it.
> You see, I need to find a water-side place to live with a low cost
> of
> living that is also
> suitable for RestoRides. Any recommendations are welcome.
>
> Warren.
>
> Steven Mills <cirtemoeg@juno.com> wrote:
> You're right. Mistakes made serve a role as lessons as
> much as successes are. Let me think about this. It's
> been a while since I had even thought about it. I was
> surprised I recalled the few details about the tent at all!
> Actually, one of the first 3 still has merit, it was just too
> small and even the 4th tent I thought was a bit tight.
>
> Movin' to Oregon?
>
> --Steve
>
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Warren Greenway
> writes:
> > First, I wouldn't mind knowing about the other
> > attempts, which I assume weren't so succesfull.
> > (Forewarned is for-armed, you know.) I certainly will
> > post my progress as soon as I have something to post.
> > All of my belongings are boxed up right now...Which
> > makes projects out of the question for the time being.
> >
> > Warren.
> > >
> > --- Steven Mills wrote:
> > > Good thing I didn't write about the first three
> > > attempts.
> > >
> > > Hopefully, you'll post your ' w.i.p.' on Restorides?
> > > I'd be
> > > interested in how it goes.
> > >
> > > --Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Warren
> > > Greenway
> > > writes:
> > > > Yeah, I cracked a smile! Thanks for sharing that!
> > > I
> > > > think that my first "manned tent" will be similar
> > > in
> > > > dimensions.
> > > >
> > > > Warren.
> > > >
> > > > --- Steven Mills wrote:
> > > > > Wow, we're talking a long time ago, but here
> > > goes.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, I'm assuming that the setting and
> > > morphology
> > > > > of the pond
> > > > > aren't significant.
> > > > > Suffice it to say, , the only problems I
> > > encountered
> > > > > were in the
> > > > > construction,
> > > > > the materials available to me, and my own
> > > > > inexperience and not so
> > > > > much the dynamics of the pond.
> > > > >
> > > > > My tools were pipe benders, hacksaw, pipe
> > > threaders,
> > > > > and the ol'
> > > > > Sears craftman's tool set [ the old "good" tool
> > > set
> > > > > of a time passed ].
> > > > > The materials were ; conduit and plumbing
> > > fittings,
> > > > > construction
> > > > > grade clear visaquene plastic, pitch for
> > > sealant,
> > > > > rope, string, small
> > > > > canvas bags used ! with sand and gravel for weight
> > > and
> > > > > trim, and
> > > > > homemade pinch clamps to hold plastic to frame
> > > at
> > > > > various points
> > > > > to keep it in place [ without damaging or poking
> > > > > holes in the plastic.]
> > > > > Basically, the stock came from a loose
> > > assortment of
> > > > > parts from
> > > > > my granddad's barn. The base frame was sized
> > > and
> > > > > cut from
> > > > > stock galvinized 1inch diam. conduit, the top
> > > frame
> > > > > was sized and
> > > > > cut from half inch galvinized stock. I rammed
> > > and
> > > > > packed the pipe for
> > > > > the base with sand using rebar and pieces of
> > > burlap
> > > > > wadding.
> > > > > The top frame was left hollow. I made four
> > > tents
> > > > > the last being
> > > > > successful at 4feet by 6feet base at 3feet in
> > > > > height. 3 half round
> > > > > frame members with a longitudinal supporting
> > > member
> > > > > and vertical
> > > > > supports at each end. Despite its weight it was
> > > > > slightly positive
> > > > > bouyant. So, I added sand filled canvas bags
> > > lashed
> > > > > to the bottom
> > > > > frame. When I needed to replenish the air or
> > > take it
> > > > > to surface I simply
> > > > > unlashed the bags and it would rise slowly with
> > > a
> > > > > little help.
> > > > > It was crude and it did leak, but there was
> > > always a
> > > > > good size pocket
> > > > > of air to enable me to explore a short distanc! e
> > > and
> > > > > return for air.
> > > > > I would say it gave me about 20 minutes under
> > > before
> > > > > I had to surface.
> > > > > I could sit in it, but the plastic would fog up
> > > a
> > > > > lot, but a splash of
> > > > > water
> > > > > cleared it up. Visaquene is hygroscopic so it
> > > would
> > > > > opaque and degrade
> > > > > out of water while being stored. It was fun
> > > while it
> > > > > lasted. It was
> > > > > destroyed
> > > > > when my cousins and a few neighbor kids thought
> > > it
> > > > > would be fun
> > > > > playing 'depth charge' with large rocks [ and
> > > with
> > > > > me in it ! ]
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, did that help?... or at least crack a
> > > smile?
> &! gt; > > >
> > > > > Shallow, tidal, and near shore dynamics is a
> > > > > different story compared
> > > > > to a pond. You've got your work cut out for you
> > > > > that's for sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers, --Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Warren
> > > > > Greenway
> > > > > writes:
> > > > > > That is similar to the proposal by Michael
> > > Savage
> > > > > > in his book Millenial Project. So, what I want
> > > to
> > > > > know
> > > > > > is this: How large was your electrical conduit
> > >
> > > > > > underwater tent? I'm still very interested in
> > > > > > collecting data on swell-induced pressure
> > > > > variations> > > > > in such a habitat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Warren.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Steven Mills wrote:
> > > > > > > ...and, if you feel real ambitious or want
> > > to
> > > > > add a
> > > > > > > split-level
> > > > > > > to that underwater tent, may I suggest this
> > > :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > http://fun.supereva.it/artificialisle/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or, perhaps we should all chip in and build
> > > a
> > > > > pSubs
> > > > > > > headquarters
> > > > > > > and convention center ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > :- ) --Steve
> > > > > &! gt; >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Warren
> > > > > > > Greenway
> > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > > Cool! Thanks! One thing about that link
> > > that
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > interesting is that they are measuring
> > > PAR. I
> > > > > told
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > company I was working for that underwater
> > > PAR
> > > > > > > > measurments would become important in the
> > > near
> > > > > > > future.
> > > > > > > > They laughed. Hmmm. I designed a PAR
> > > > > instrument
> > > > > > > once
> > > > > > > > before!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Warren.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Steven Mills
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This isn't exactly a tent for habitation
> > > or
> > > > > > > > > saturation diving. But it is
> > > > > > > > > similar to something I built as a 14
> > > year
> > > > > old
> > > > > > > kid
> > > > > > > > > quite by accident.
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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