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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ambient Vs. 1-Atm Quandary



Well, for my 2k canadian dollars budget, it was either an ambient or a diving dry-suit... But I love the ambient and all the experience I'm getting from it. It's much more forgiving when you make a mistake and I also have the oportunity to build all myself. There is not an inch on that boat that I did not weld, grind, cut, drilled, tapped...

I know it may look like a very small project to some but for me, it's my sub... What else is there to say?

Whatever knowledge or experience I get from building BIG, I will gladly pass to anybody in this group.

I don't really know why I'm saying all this but it make me fell good inside. sorry...

Pierre "drama" Poulin








From: NeophyteSG@aol.com
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Ambient Vs. 1-Atm Quandary
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:34:29 EST

In a message dated 3/16/04 7:48:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
DJACKSON99@aol.com writes:
Watching the current builders bring their subs together is very motivational,
but your ambient design is of special interest to me.  Ambient Rules!  :)
Not just a bit biased are we Doug? ;-)  I've noticed over the months that
ambients tend to be viewed almost like ... [struggling for terms] Jr. PSUBs or "almost" PSUBs, but not in a truly maligning way by any means. I actually envy everyone who's building an ambient in terms of cost and complexity. Generally speaking you'll have your boats in the water far sooner and less-expensively than the rest of us. Because my planned operational envelope is essentially the same as for ambients ... up where there's light and the risks of bailout
are less ... mine would be an ambient were it not for my desire to have it
hydrobatic. When I made the transition to a 1-atm design, *everything* just got a whole lot more complicated, costly and long-term. Therein lies my quandary.

It's a war between truly loving the image I have of what I want (my UPS) in
all its glorious complexity & capabilities and the desire not to have to wait
what I'm now projecting as a multiyear project, both in terms of design and
affordability, before actually getting wet. [minor tantrum in the background ...
pay no attention to the crazy hippie engineer]

I love the added time (72hrs) and depth capabilities (now 300' operation
range) that the transition to a steel pressure hull and 1-atm design brought.
Having a maximum diameter of 28" tapering to 18" for a pressure hull (steel
mummy-bag), means I also get a great safety margin in terms of depth capacity (1200+') with the same 1/4" steel as larger diametered craft with lower ratings. I also thoroughly enjoy the design process ... [raising hand] "Hi. My name is
Shawn.  I'm a design addict."  I *know* it's a viable design and within my
abilities to achieve eventually, and I want it so bad I can taste it.

But, I'm also enough of a study of at least my own nature to also know that
the sooner I get something in the water, the less frustrating that path will be ... and the greater the likelihood of my staying with it. So, I'm seriously considering taking a sidetrip on my design path and building a non-hydrobatic
dry ambient version first.  I can build and use the same exostructure
(thrusters, control surfaces, ballast system, etc.) but without the pressure hull and life support requirements of the 1-atm design. Since my design incorporates
the ability to jettison everything from the pressure hull except emergency
ballast, theoretically, the transition from the dry ambient to a 1-atm would be a matter of swapping out the pressure hulls w/life support. Am I making sense?
Thoughts, suggestions?

Warm Regards
Shawn


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Do not pursue pleasure, for thou may have the misfortune to overtake it...
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