Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape & rescue

[DJACKSON99@aol.com]

How about floating a buoy, like Lakedivers on coax cable that then acts as an antenna for your cell phone and GPS?  I would love for a electronics wiz, like you Warren to draw up simple plans for this type of design.  See http://www.landyonline.co.za/off_road/gps_antenna.htm  
We could also routinely use it to provide a GMS fix and a com like to a surface ship, or to order delivery; Subway of course.  –Doug Jackson


In a message dated 10/21/2003 11:33:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, opensourcesub@yahoo.com writes:

> Hey Ray, my uncle just retired from the Coast Guard 
> after nearly thirty years of service. His stories tell
> me that the Coast Guard is happy to use a disaster
> situation (sinking PSUB, for example) as a more 
> colorful training scenario. I'm sure they wouldn't
> have
> a problem making the rescue. However, how does one go
> about sending a distress call when under 300' of
> water?
> 
> Warren.
> 
> --- Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:
> > Hi Doug,
> > 
> > From time to time I have thought about who is going
> > to rescue a PSUBer.
> > I doubt the Navy would dispach a DSRV to rescue one
> > of us and personally I think the Coast Guard would
> > rather haul up a sub with bodies. That way they can
> > tell the populace, see these things are dangerous,
> > they need to be banned, regulated, or whatever. If
> > the Coast Guard recued a PSUBer then the publicity
> > might encourage more PSUBers.
> > 
> > Of course we could just tell the Coast Guard that
> > the sub that went down was a drug sub, or Al Quida
> > (SP?) leader, with lots of intel, is alive down
> > there. To that the Coast Guard might respond
> > promptly.
> > 
> > Question will then be, do they have the skills and
> > equipment to go deep enough to get that PSUB up? A
> > hundred surface ships floating around will be
> > useless unless they can get down to the PSUB to
> > help.
> > 
> > The conclusion I have come up with is PSUBers must
> > rescue themselves or each other. How heavy is a
> > K-350? Can I say air transportable? A buddy goes
> > down, unable to get back up, his surface contact
> > with the dive plan calls for help, the rest of us
> > moblize and fly and boat to the scene with a few
> > K-boats.
> > 
> > We are a long ways from that level of
> > interdependance and cooperation but as
> > more and more subs come on line the possiblity of
> > being a mere hours from help may one day be
> > realized.
> > 
> > As a related topic. What kind tools can we attached
> > to a PSUB to go recue some one with? An arm? Some
> > kind of cutting tool, like bolt cutters or torch?
> > Lift bags that can be snapped onto the stricken PSUB
> > then inflated?
> > 
> > Could the recue boat be the two propulsor type, like
> > a K-boat, or would you really need three axises of
> > motion.
> > 
> > How do you keep the rescue PSUB from getting trapped
> > or caught like the first one?
> > 
> > The stricken boat. What kind of equipment should be
> > manditory? Marker bouy?
> > Underwater comms? Sonic and visible beacons?
> > 
> > Certainly drop weights, ballast blow, flood and
> > emergency ascent, minimum of 72 hours life support
> > are the mere minimum requirements.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Ray
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > SeaLordOne@aol.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Shipmates,
> > > 
> > > I would like your views on escape and rescue.
> > > 
> > > As to the original "caught in a net" problem, I
> > have the impression that the average psub would lack
> > the power or bouyancy to escape a large net.  These
> > new mega nets, do they call them drift nets?, are
> > many miles long and many tons heavy.  About 10 years
> > ago I read of a section of net three miles long that
> > had broken off and was killing porposes off the US
> > coastline. I don't see how anything short of
> > Carsten's U-Boat could survive an encounter with
> > that much net.  Does anyone know any more about
> > these mega nets?  Are there still large sections
> > floating loose out there?
> > > 
> > > Then comes rescue.  Who is going to come to our
> > rescue?  I get the impression from reading the paper
> > that the U.S. Coast Guard has been largly
> > re-purposed for homeland security, and that private
> > boat towing firms are the closest thing to a "rescue
> > operation" most boats see these days.  Do you still
> > think the Coast Guard would/could help us?
> > > 
> > > Doug Farrow