> OK. You have a lot of opinions. :) Ready to help compile that list of 
those interested
> and the skills they bring to the table? A landlubber is 
perfectly suited. Furthermore,
> you seem to grasp the situation 
perfectly. I don't think we need to worry about a new
> server at this 
point, but I have a server I would offer to the cause if it ever got to
> 
that point. What I would like to see is everyone who has expressed interest to 
either
> post their wish-list or e-mail them to myself or you...:) So we 
can compile a preliminary
> spec. It will probably change a bit as time 
goes on, but it will give us a place to start!
> Please, all, spec the 
following:
> 1. Length
The two place K-350 has a pressure hull eight feet long at it's maximum 
length, the center of the end caps.  That seems to be adequate for two 
people. Another half foot would be nice but not necessary.   
> 
2. Diameter
The K-350's  hull diameter is three feet.  That's barely 
adequate.  Four more inches in diameter would be nice.  The three foot 
diameter isn't bad when sitting in an operating position but it's tough to fold 
yourself up to do anything in the hull for a any length of time.  
The trade off though would be the extra over all weight the sub would 
have to displace.   A two place K-350 displaces about 4400 
pounds.  Of course, that's what it weighs on a trailer too.  The 
trailer would weigh another thousand pounds.   The toeing weight 
of a K-350 on a trailer is around 5400 pounds.  
> 3. 
Speed 
I haven't got mine wet yet but from what I hear from the "Salts" is that 
speed on the surface is good but submerged you don't need it.  You don't 
want to go any faster then the speed you can control to avoid hazards.  I 
guess it depends on your visibility.  Speed also has the trade off of 
the amount of battery power you have for the time you want to run.  Running 
fast uses up a lot of battery.  
> 4. Range or dive time
As far as I could get with out making the battery pods so big they hinder 
the sub's movement.  The K-350 has six deep cycle batteries for the 
thrusters and two for aux power.  Lights and other things.  A 
sleek sub would be great but you almost have to put the batteries in pods for 
safety.  Captain Kittredge recommends a one hour max dive and then surface 
to vent the stale in a K sub.  I hear five hours with minimal activity can 
be endured, but after that, it's Iffy if your going to see the light 
of day on your own when I a sub of that size with no life support.  We 
should use life support for emergencies only.  Keep the dive simple.  
> 5. Safe dive depth.  
Don't know.  The deeper the better as long as the hull 's weight 
doesn't get so heavy that it affects submerged or surfaced stability.  
The K subs are virtually impossible to role over.  They have their weight 
low enough to make them real stable.
> 6. Cost window
Now there's a good one.  The cost of a approved Plexiglas dome 
manufactured by a certified manufacture is the reason it took me fifteen years 
to get my sub off the ground.   I didn't want to take a chance with a 
dome that wasn't certified so waited and then decided to put the extra dollars 
into the K-350 which doesn't have a dome.  A dome would be great 
though.  It must have a spectacular view and feeling compared to 
my four conning tower viewports.  I like Carstan's idea of the cylindrical 
lens.  Sitting in mine now, I feel that the view in the direction you want 
to be looking would be near as good from a cylinder as it would be from the 
dome.  You need a small hatch cover view port to see when your reaching 
full submerged but you don't need much of an actual view 
upward.
 
One thing that is a must for me is a good view downward and forward.  
The K subs have a viewport down forward in the front of the hull.  I'm 
thinking I'll be spending a lot of time on my belly piloting the sub from in 
front of it, close up to the bottom viewport.  Especially in murky 
water.  If I build an arm for the sub, it's a must have.
> 7. Further 
comments
A tear drop or some other great sub shape would really look nice but for a 
PSUB, I think we have to think more practical.  It has to be something that 
isn't to difficult to build.  A cylinder can't be beat for 
simplicity.  Most larger fab shops have roles that can roll the hull and 
any conning tower parts.  Tank heads are available off the shelf for the 
hull ends.  It's best to make exotic shapes only as part of shrouding 
where it can be done in fiberglass or something easy to shape.  
 
Simplicity in construction is a must to keep costs down.  Most PSUBers 
will be building with hand tools, a welder, set of torches, a lathe and a 
drill press.  Maybe a milling machine and plasma cutter too, but not the 
same shop Carstan has available.  Anything farmed out to a shop really adds 
up costs quick.  Think in steel, not paper.
 
I really like Carstan's modular idea.  A bolt on aft section 
would allow for some nice options.  If bolt on becomes to 
impractical, maybe the options could be worked into the design as an either/or 
thing.  Like the K-350 one place and two place options.  Captain 
Kittredge just added two feet to the aft section of the hull.  It seems 
that there should be more to it then that but that's all he did.  I'm 
thinking the weight distribution should have changed a little also, but time 
will tell.
 
Lead acid should be the source of power.  If someone really has the 
ability and need to install a nuke plant, they also have the ability to make the 
necessary conversions.  
 
Some guidance and construction tips would be helpful too.  That's 
lacking with a K sub.  The Captain told me he did it that way to force the 
builder to study the prints but I still think some guidance would be nice.  
He had a few brief sheets with his K-250 model but none with the 
K-350.  You don't need a "blow by blow" but something to guide 
through pitfalls.   
A good list of sources for materials would be nice too.  It would be a 
great help to a builder when working out of his area of expertise.  
Constructing a sub includes so many fields of expertise that no builder can be 
proficient in them all.
 
 Skills..... I'm a mechanical designer but for the past fifteen years 
I've run my small machine shop.  I guess I could probably best offer help 
in the area of the practicality of design as it relate to actual 
construction.  The nuts and bolt of the project.  
 
Well there you have my two cents worth, spoken in fifty cents worth of 
words.  Sorry!  ;-) 
 
Warrend, you have my vote!
Dan H.