You know, I don't know why, but I get the sense that all of us are the "A-Team" for personal submersibles. *cue old TV show music here* "Ain't nobody gettin' me on no airplane, suckah!!"
Chris
Gregory Snyder <gsnyder@mn.rr.com> wrote:
Hi guys -
Carsten, Great idea about modules!
That would allow all sorts of possibilities.
When viewing your design, I would like to see a few more view ports
which look down - My guess is that I will be looking at the bottom and
in your design, I don't see how the pilot can see down. The large front
view port is attractive to me, but it may be unaffordable in a Psub
design.
I would love to copy something like the S102 design, Maybe a two seater
with the option of head out of dome, or sitting in the bow.
Just my thoughts-
By the way, we finally (TODAY) had snow in Minnesota. We are supposed
to be the coldest state in the nation, and we only have about an inch (
2.54 cm) of snow on the ground.
God bless global warming.
Sincerely,
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Carsten
Standfuss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:22 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS
Warrend, I put my idears in mind to the mokki files..
at
http://www.prismnet.com/~moki/20030113.171503/TWOMAN-2003-01.jpg
or see at
http://www.prismnet.com/~moki/subfiles.html
under Twoman-2003-01
(And this is a 2D DXF file easy convert in 15 seconds to jpg..)
regards Carsten
Warrend Greenway schrieb:
>
> Sorry, I'm not sure I have introduced myself. You'll probably
> kick me out when I do! I forgot that step since I have kept up
> on events at the PSUBS.org webpage for almost three years, so I
> felt I knew a lot of you...Ooops. My name is Warren D. Greenway
> I'm not quite 22 years of age, and have had passion for subs since
> reading 20,000 leagues in second grade. I am a professional Software
> Engineer in Washington, having gone through intesive homeschool right
> through college. I write embedded systems code for ultra low power
> measuring instruments, my specialty being ultra small operating
systems
> which I write for custom applications. I am generally considered well
> read, being a bit of a book worm who devours classics and anything on
> subs or oceanography. I have been working in my present position for
> 3 years, and have been in the workplace full time for 6 years.
Sorry...
> I guess I'm what you'd call a "whipper-snapper", a "young-un", and
such.
>
> Warren.
>
> > Hi submadmans, based on the Kittredge design as startpoint
> > I would like to see:
> >
> > - a doubleseater, 100 % more fun for 15-20% more cost.
> >
> > - a warp around acrylic cylinder in the tower like the
> > the Pauls S101 and S102 have, so we can combinate the
> > good view of the dome Boats - and the good freeboard of the
> > tophatch boats versions..
> >
> > - a much better outline hull, special at the bow and stern area -
> > but maybe no cover in the hull area. Bow like S101..
> >
> > - a bolted stainless steel frame stern endcap with a seal so the
boat
> > can be completly open for building and later for maintance.
> > On the stern cap for the reason that we can design a extra section
> > "Dieselsection" which can be added as plug in modul for the boys
with
> > the long lakes in there garden.. same flange can be used for a diver
> > exit chamber modul - or for both moduls..
> >
> > - all plans also on a DXF/DWG 2D CAD system - special the metal cut
> > sheets in a form that you can give a disk to a
plasma/higwaterpressure
> > cutting company and all parts can be cut by CNC machines to make the
> > building
> > quick, easy and cheap..
> >
> > - size mind 2 and max. 3 ts so can be carring behind a light truck.
> >
> > - in steel it should be not a big deal to design it for 200-300
meter
> > (650-1000 ft)
> >
> > A figure of 20-30.000 USD is probably right..
> >
> > After the general defintion phase - the design team should be
> > reduce to an expirence and small group - present just results.
> >
> > "20 boys into a small galley making something will be a nightmare of
a
> > dinner.."
> >
> > It must be a clear non commercial project - or I will not spend any
time
> > on it.
> > It must drawn by hand or at a 2D CAD programm - or I am out for
personal
> > reasons.
> > I manly will investigate time in this project if I found something
looks
> > unsave.
> >
> > If OSS is a sucess or not - depents only on the campainer/moderator
> > not on the technic..
> >
> > Be carefull Warrend - Campainer for this is a real hard figure.. :-)
> >
> > Warrend .. a question - many years at Psubs it was a good pracise to
> > introduce
> > yourself.. age, pracise, dreams job etc.. have you done this ?
> > (Sorry if I maybe I miss that. )
> >
> > best regards, Carsten
> >
> >
> >
> > Warrend Greenway schrieb:
> > >
> > > OK. You have a lot of opinions. :) Ready to help compile that list
of those interested
> > > and the skills they bring to the table? A landlubber is perfectly
suited. Furthermore,
> > > you seem to grasp the situation perfectly. I don't think we need
to worry about a new
> > > server at this point, but I have a server I would offer to the
cause if it ever got to
> > > that point. What I would like to see is everyone who has expressed
interest to either
> > > post their wish-list or e-mail them to myself or you...:) So we
can compile a preliminary
> > > spec. It will probably change a bit as time goes on, but it will
give us a place to start!
> > > Please, all, spec the following:
> > > 1. Length
> > > 2. Diameter
> > > 3. Speed
> > > 4. Range or dive time
> > > 5. Safe dive depth
> > > 6. Cost window
> > > 7. Further comments
> > >
> > > It seems like lead acid is the power source of choice. I can
handle a PWM speed control,
> > > so I don't think we need to worry about potentiometers or anything
like that. Batteries
> > > and motor should probably be stored outside the pressure hull.
Steel seems to be the
> > > pressure hull material of choice. Gauges and electronics should be
left flexible, to
> > > accomodate a variety of tastes, needs, and budgets.
> > >
> > > Let's agree to use DXF for electronic drawings and TXT or HTML for
text.
> > >
> > > Warren.
> > > warrend@decagon.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good Evening all,
> > > >
> > > > I just read all the posts since this morning... wow! You've
been busy.
> > > >
> > > > OK... here goes. Carsten had some good points. I think if I
spent
> > > > hours on end burning the midnite oil and then saw that somebody
was
> > > > selling the plans in the back of Popular Mechanics... and
getting rich,
> > > > I'd be furious.
> > > >
> > > > Now... open source does not necessarily mean the project could
not be
> > > > turned to profit making. There are lots of people making money
from
> > > > Linux, after all. I also wonder how we might control anyone who
did
> > > > decide to take the OSS design and start building and selling
it...
> > > > copyleft documents would not do.... as such documents do in fact
allow
> > > > one to reproduce and sell it. We need rather, a patent on any
> > > > intelectual property in the design to do this.
> > > >
> > > > I think that the best way to control commercial use of the
project would
> > > > be to design it such that it would not be commercially viable.
I.e.: a
> > > > one person submersible could never be used to "give rides", and
the
> > > > potential market for such a machine would be negligible.
Liability
> > > > would kill it before the first dozen had hit the water.
> > > >
> > > > The other thing is that it should be stressed concept only. The
idea
> > > > would be for people to build their own machines to the
specifications in
> > > > the project documents... not for anyone to try to market a kit
to be
> > > > assembled.
> > > >
> > > > If we produce the plans and the documentation... this material
could and
> > > > most certainly would be copyrighted. It could be distributed
free of
> > > > charge in electronic form. Just the fact that we would be
giving it
> > > > away free would discourage competition.
> > > >
> > > > A separate list with url... well, it certainly could be done,
but how
> > > > big a monster is this going to become? Do we need a new list?
Do we
> > > > need a new server... possibly with a forum? Right now this is
all new
> > > > and exciting... like the new girl in school... but the early
interest
> > > > may fade as the drudgery hits.
> > > >
> > > > A camel has been described as a horse designed by comittee...
but then,
> > > > a camel is a pretty impressive piece of technology. Even though
God
> > > > likely did not consult a comittee upon finalizing the two or
three
> > > > designs, the concept is still valid. I think that this would
function
> > > > best if somebody would take charge and start assigning tasks as
soon as
> > > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > We perhaps need to compile a list of who is interested. We
could easily
> > > > form our own mail list and take it off the psub list... but you
know
> > > > what? I suspect that even those not participating would find
the
> > > > project of interest and it would be a simple matter to set
filters up to
> > > > shunt anything with "OSS" in the subject line to a specific
location.
> > > >
> > > > A wish list might be one of the first things to be enumerated...
just as
> > > > soon as we know who we are.
> > > >
> > > > This could work. For some reason I don't understand, there
seems to be
> > > > quite a bit of commeradery here... and little or no bickering.
> > > >
> > > > OK, enough from the landlubber. I've already put out my "wish
list" and
> > > > mentioned how I think I might be able to help. I'm going to sit
back
> > > > and watch until somebody tells me to go out and get an original
copy of
> > > > the plans for Trieste or something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dale A. Raby
> > > > Editor/Publisher
> > > > The Green Bay Web
> > > > http://www.thegreenbayweb.com
> > > << dalesignature.gif >>
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