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Re: Language was - Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE

Tres bien je ne savais pas que Pat parlais Francais
Herve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Captain Nemo" <vulcania@hawaii.rr.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Language was - Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE


> Carsten and Graham,
>
> Oui, je suis d'accord. Cette discussion devraint finir ici.
>
> Au revoir, mes amis.
>
> Pat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carsten Standfuss" <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Language was - Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>
>
> > Funny.. both.. but great - and I can understand everything..
> > Pat's is just a little better - sorry Graham.. :-)
> >
> > Today our childrens speaking a mixture language -
> > 75-80 % german with 20-25 % english - not so lustig/funny.
> > Comes from  TV advertising.. and chat groups :-(
> >
> > And today I had a great progress with meinen Unterseeboot.
> >
> > But this tread should end here..
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > Graham K schrieb:
> > >
> > > Hallo Pat,
> > >
> > > Ihr Deutsch scheint sehr rostig! Ich würde denken, daß wenn Sie eine
> > > Nachricht auf deutsch geschickt haben, den Sie es richtig tippen
würden!
> :)
> > > Hoffe Auf dem otherhand, ich, daß mein Deutsch nicht irgendein
> schlimmeres
> > > ist, als ihres Machen eines Narren meines mich selbst.
> > >
> > > Beachtungen,
> > >
> > > Graham Kuberski
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Captain
Nemo
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 4:56 AM
> > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
> > >
> > > Hallo Carsten,
> > >
> > > Unsere uhren sind zwolf Stunden einzeln.  Das ist hier in Den
> Hawaii-Inseln
> > > Mitternacht-; Mittag in Deutschland.  Ich soll schlafen, und wenn Sie
> > > Mittagessen essen, Sollen sie an Ihrem unterseeboot arbeiten.  Aber
hier
> > > sind wir an PSUBS.  Wir mussen verruckt sein.  ;-)
> > >
> > > Ich stimme mit allem uberein, das Sie in Ihrer Nachricht gesagt haben.
> Ich
> > > werde versuchen, auf verschiedenartige Teile, aber auf englisch zu
> > > reagieren, weil das fur mich einfacher ist, und die anderen Leute
> Deutschen
> > > nicht verstehen konnen.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Carsten Standfuss" <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 11:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
> > >
> > > > Pat okay I agree - but ..
> > > >
> > > > In 1987 I build the first version of the main-engine of Sgt.Peppers
> from
> > > > a old car starter engine. I have still not very much knowledge of
> > > > electric - only very less.. The power was I think 12 V with 49 amp.
> The
> > > > strongest relais I can found on the market was 12 V 40 amp.
> > > > (I need some relais to switch the engine to the reverse thrust) I
> > > > connected two relais of 12 v 40 A parallel line together to get one
of
> > > > 12 V 80 A. Works well during test onshore with the propeller in
air..
> I
> > > > found no security switch for this currents in the car shop - so I
work
> > > > without one.. During the first drive in water I switch the reverse
> > > > button - and first the one relias burn fix and out and a milisecond
> > > > later the other one..
> > > >
> > > > - was this experimental ?
> > > > - or just unsafe ?
> > >
> > > Both.  And I've had experiences like that, too.  Back then, we had to
> figure
> > > it all out as we went along.  Kind of scary, wasn't it?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I think any electrican or somebody with knowlege about electric on
> Psub
> > > > can easy explain why this don't work - and why the relias burned out
> > > > just some 6 inch away from my face. Lucky I manage to shut off the
> main
> > > > battery (3,8 Kwh..of power) dissconector switch before a bigger
> > > > accident turned my face in something others.. (I was 22 in 1987 and
my
> > > > girlfriend at this time like my face in the version it was during
this
> > > > time..
> > > >
> > > > Today - if I have something to design on a electric of CSSX - I ask
> the
> > > > right people - here on Psub or on the yard. Why take a experiment in
a
> > > > field which is proven and safe since over
> > > > decades of years ?
> > >
> > > I agree.  I think one should do all he can to be sure his submarine
> systems
> > > are safe; including asking for assistance when it's available.  On the
> other
> > > hand, there are people who build subs as a test of their own skills,
and
> > > they want to do it all by themselves, to prove they can do it.  Of
> course,
> > > that is more dangerous, but some people like it that way.  I worry
about
> > > what they might do to themselves; and what effect it might have on me
as
> a
> > > subber; and sometimes I've spoken out about it; but beyond that it's
out
> of
> > > my hands.  They're going to do what they want to do.
> > >
> > > When you and I did it that way, it was because there wasn't a lot of
> > > information about homebuilt sub design and construction available back
> in
> > > the 80's.  So we developed our boats out of our own private research.
> My
> > > subs were  the result of years of R&D with everything from snorkels to
> AIP
> > > systems; and I experimented with wetsubs and ambients before going on
to
> > > pressure hulls.  For me there was no other way.  But as you say, that
> was
> > > way back then and this is now.  Nowadays, there is more informaton
> > > available.  That's good, as long as the information is reliable.  And
> yeah,
> > > I think it's wise for the prospective sub builder to take advantage of
> that.
> > > I can't recall ever saying otherwise; and  if it ever sounded that
way,
> > > that's not what I meant to say.
> > >
> > > But all I was saying in the post before this one is this:  even if the
> > > submarine is a Kitteredge boat, built from plans and using hull
> components
> > > manufactured by the local metal-fab shop and welded together by a
> > > professional boilermaker, it's still an experimental until it's proven
> safe,
> > > and should be treated with caution.  Wouldn't you agree?
> > >
> > > > Cssx will get a fuelcell drive. this will be my main experiment on
> this
> > > > boat - but I do not really want to find out how to close securit a
100
> > > > Kw electric main engine in a sub full of hydrogen and oxygen.. So I
> ask
> > > > allways for help if I found that the physics is a little outside my
> > > > knowledge..
> > >
> > > That makes good sense.
> > >
> > > The other experiment on Cssx will be a boat without
> > > > seawater pipe inside
> > > > the boat - but with remote controlled outside main vales for all
soft
> > > > and hard tanks.
> > > > To my knowledge nobody did this before to control such a vessel - so
> > > > this will be a new
> > > > field - because the expierence is not make up today. Will report
about
> > > > the results..
> > >
> > > Interesting.  Will you use automatic servo-valves outside the pressure
> hull?
> > > Will they be hydraulic, pneumatic, electric, or mechanically
activated?
> > > What about backup systems if the automatic valves fail?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If somebody designed something and display it - maybe in coulor
> pictures
> > > > on Psub and maybe very proud.. - and complete wrong or unsafe from a
> > > > standpoint of a professional- how should we handle that ? Just make
a
> > > > notice for the archive files - were they are quick forgotten ?
> > > >
> > > > regards Carsten
> > >
> > > Carsten, that question deals with administrative issues and should be
> > > addressed to the webmaster.  This is not my website.  I'd rather not
> express
> > > a pubic opinion on that particular subject.
> > >
> > > Anyway, nice talking with you, and good luck with your sub.
> > >
> > > Pat
> >
>
>
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