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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
Might be useful to get one of those wireless video cams that are always being
advertised on web popups, or perhaps a competitor. If viable underwater, it
could be mounted inside the sub (in waterproof case maybe) to provide safety
monitoring, backup to the telephone.
--- Gregory Snyder <gsnyder@mn.rr.com> wrote:
> I would be delighted -
> I'll get working right away, post some rules and put it to a vote-
> How about making a small course with say, a few underwater objects
> hanging from buoys ( dense enough to sink, but not big enough to cause
> fouling ) String them up in a course of about 500 yards and time the
> runs for accuracy and speed. First team to identify as many objects as
> possible in the allotted time wins the prize.
> Is this on track, or too extreme?
>
> Thanks-
> Sincerely,
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Ray Keefer
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:23 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> How about being the Regatta Committee Chairman?
>
> Here is a quick outline. Feel free to morph it into something that is
> workable. I have one rubber boat that can be a chase boat. Not fast but
> avaliable.
>
> Date: Friday, 16 August 2002
>
> Where: where to meet, down to lake, beach, dock, parking lot
>
> Access fees:
>
> Schedule: 0900-1000 sign in
> 1000-1300 on lake
> ????-???? what ever
>
> Rules of regatta (for lack of better name):
>
> This would be the how to keep the event sane. I like the idea
> of one sub at a time submerging for a fixed amount of time and
> area.
>
> Getting dive permission (marshall boat and chase boat could
> be the same):
>
> 1. power over to marshall boat to request permission to
> dive
> (all divers have to fillout some kind of form, name,
> date of birth, next of kin (sorry :) ) (minors will
> have
> to have the signature of a parent)
> 2. be put into diving queue
> 3. when it is your turn the marshall gives you
> permission
> to dive
> 4. You power to a chase boat/or it tows you clear of all
> the other subs
>
> Dive:
>
> 1. The chase boat hands you an underwater telephone.
> 2. The chase boat attaches a buoy with floating line
> 3. The chase boat hands you a kitchen timer locked in a
> box (so you can't be tempted to turn the dial and get
> more dive time :)
> 4. Chase boat sets another timer that it gets with time
> plus five minutes
> 5. Chase boat lifts dive flag
> 6. Sub is good to go
> 7. Underwater telephone contact is maintained.
>
> Surfacing:
>
> 1. When timer goes off in the sub, the sub surfaces
> 2. If the sub does not come up by the time the chase
> boat's timer goes off then the emergancy procedures
> go
> into effect and that sub and operator will dive no
> more
> that day, i.e. no more permission from the marshall.
> 3. The chase boat lowers the dive flag.
> 4. The sub hands the timer and underwater telephone to
> the
> chases boat.
>
> Returning to fleet:
>
> 1. The sub powers/or is towed back to the fleet
>
>
>
> Safety Procedures:
>
> 1. bouy?
> 2. underwater telephone
> - one on chase boat
> - one that is passed to the sub with dive
> permission
> 3. CB's/cell phone/radios?
> 4. a pair of divers on hand
> 5. lift bags on hand
> 6. hoist/crane?
>
> Emergency Procedures:
>
> 1. try underwanter telephone
> 2. put diver in water, follow bouy line down to sub
> 3. determin problem
> 4. use lift bags if necessary
> 5. chase boat to tow to shallow water
> 6. in mean time paramedics called if needed
>
> Regards,
> Ray
>
>
>
> > From: "Greg Snyder" <snyde032@tc.umn.edu>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:54:13 -0600
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> > Hi Ray -
> > How can I help?
> > Sincerly,
> > Greg Snyder
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Ray Keefer
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:21 PM
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> >
> >
> > Hi Alec,
> >
> > > From: Alec Smyth <Asmyth@changepoint.com>
> > > To: "'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'"
> <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:07 -0500
> > >
> > > Ray, if we were to ask the government these questions, I think we'll
> never
> > > get an answer (unless its a fast NO). Better figure it out
> internally and
> > > then propose as our voluntary safety precautions. Would one even
> need
> > > permission to dive if each sub is legally licensed? I seem to recall
> we
> > have
> > > someone in the group with a regulatory background on issues like
> this.
> >
> > I agree that if we went to them and said a bunch of PSUBers (sub mad
> men?)
> > wanted
> > to take over the lake they would say NO out of hand.
> >
> > I agree we need a plan to present. Then if they say NO they have to be
> > specific about
> > why. After all we thought it all out carefully and have a plan to keep
> > everyone save.
> > Why can't we do it? What is wrong with the plan?
> >
> > >
> > > Suggestion... if each sub had a buoy, they'd probably just get all
> tangled
> > > up in each others'lines. Perhaps we can just have a central
> "marshall"
> > > keeping records on dive plans, such as "sub X going down now and
> with plan
> > > to surface in 20 minutes".
> >
> > Good idea. Keep them coming.
> >
> > > As for diving in pairs, I imagine that might only
> > > work if visibility were terrific.
> >
> > I can't say about visibility as I have only been around the lake, not
> on it.
> > I would assume pretty bad. When we do something in Florida we can
> dive as a
> > group.
> >
> > >
> > > What about some "sporting events"? There could be a timed race
> around a
> > > course, or a search and recovery competition, or a precision
> navigation
> > > test. This could really be fun. Damn, I wish my sub were finished!
> >
> > Yep. Lots of things that could be done. The possibilties are
> staggering.
> > Again its great to pop ideas up in the forum but who is going to do
> the
> > work?
> > Any voluteers?
> >
> > The convention has three main prongs to focus on:
> >
> > OMSI
> > Meeting
> > Regatta
> >
> > I can see each one of those quickly consuming the efforts of an
> individual.
> > Even a whole team.
> > While local guys can do leg work there should be convention subteams
> (pun
> > intended)
> > to work ideas. Any voluteers?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray
> >
> > >
> > > - Alec
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ray Keefer [mailto:Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:42 PM
> > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Dale asked a good question regarding the regatta:
> > >
> > > I still have not decided about bringing the sub or not.. Let me
> > > know what might be planned for them...(a chance to dive them,
> > > or display them, etc.. I have not heard of any plans yet..or
> > > did I miss them...)
> > >
> > > Well until now I haven't given any details simply because there
> aren't
> > any.
> > > I have some thoughts. One might say possibilities. The scope of what
> we
> > > finally do depends on what the authorities will let us get away
> with.
> > >
> > > Meeting
> > > 1. Subs parked outside of meeting for show and tell would be
> wonderful.
> > > I am planning on this one and want a parking lot space for cars
> with
> > > sub trailers.
> > >
> > > Regatta
> > > 1. Certainly get subs into the water.
> > > 2. Actually diving the subs is the ultimate goal. This is where it
> will
> > > get tricky and the authority thing comes in. What limits will
> they
> > > impose, assuming they let us dive at all. For instance I am
> thinking
> > > of using Hagg Lake
> > >
> > >
> >
> (http://www.co.washington.or.us/deptmts/sup_serv/fac_mgt/parks/hagglake.
> htm)
> > >
> > > which is a few miles from my home, about 30 miles west of
> Portland.
> > >
> > > a. Can all subs dive at will?
> > > b. Can only a fixed number dive at will?
> > > c. Can only two, or one dive at a time? I would prefer subs to
> dive
> > > in pairs. More fun then just my yourself and you are going
> with a
> > > buddy.
> > > d. Do we have to have buoys attached to each sub?
> > > e. Does each sub have to have voice communications to the
> surface?
> > > f. Do we have to have a chase boat? One per diving sub?
> > > g. Do we have to have divers? Buddied up of course. One pair per
> diving
> > > sub?
> > > h. How to organize the event? Whom says who can dive when? Need
> regatta
> > > captain.
> > >
> > > The details really depends on how well the contacts with Government
> > > departments
> > > that control access to the water go.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ray
> >
> >
>
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