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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta

Hi Greg,

How about being the Regatta Committee Chairman?

Here is a quick outline. Feel free to morph it into something that is
workable. I have one rubber boat that can be a chase boat. Not fast but
avaliable.

Date: Friday, 16 August 2002

Where: where to meet, down to lake, beach, dock, parking lot

Access fees:

Schedule: 0900-1000 sign in
          1000-1300 on lake
          ????-???? what ever
          
Rules of regatta (for lack of better name):

	This would be the how to keep the event sane. I like the idea
	of one sub at a time submerging for a fixed amount of time and
	area.
	
	Getting dive permission (marshall boat and chase boat could 
	be the same):
	
		1. power over to marshall boat to request permission to dive
		   (all divers have to fillout some kind of form, name,
		   date of birth, next of kin (sorry :) ) (minors will have
		   to have the signature of a parent)
		2. be put into diving queue 
		3. when it is your turn the marshall gives you permission
		   to dive
		4. You power to a chase boat/or it tows you clear of all
		   the other subs
		   
	Dive:
	
		1. The chase boat hands you an underwater telephone.
		2. The chase boat attaches a buoy with floating line
		3. The chase boat hands you a kitchen timer locked in a
		   box (so you can't be tempted to turn the dial and get
		   more dive time :)
		4. Chase boat sets another timer that it gets with time 
		   plus five minutes
		5. Chase boat lifts dive flag 
		6. Sub is good to go
		7. Underwater telephone contact is maintained.
		
	Surfacing:
	
		1. When timer goes off in the sub, the sub surfaces
		2. If the sub does not come up by the time the chase
		   boat's timer goes off then the emergancy procedures go
		   into effect and that sub and operator will dive no more
		   that day, i.e. no more permission from the marshall. 
		3. The chase boat lowers the dive flag. 
		4. The sub hands the timer and underwater telephone to the
		   chases boat.
		  
	Returning to fleet:
	
		1. The sub powers/or is towed back to the fleet
		
		
	
	Safety Procedures:
	
		1. bouy?
		2. underwater telephone 
			- one on chase boat
			- one that is passed to the sub with dive permission 
		3. CB's/cell phone/radios?
		4. a pair of divers on hand
		5. lift bags on hand
		6. hoist/crane?
	
	Emergency Procedures:
	
		1. try underwanter telephone
		2. put diver in water, follow bouy line down to sub
		3. determin problem
		4. use lift bags if necessary
		5. chase boat to tow to shallow water
		6. in mean time paramedics called if needed
	
Regards,
Ray



> From: "Greg Snyder" <snyde032@tc.umn.edu>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:54:13 -0600
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> Hi Ray -
> How can I help?
> Sincerly,
> Greg Snyder
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Ray Keefer
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:21 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> 
> 
> Hi Alec,
> 
> > From: Alec Smyth <Asmyth@changepoint.com>
> > To: "'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:07 -0500
> >
> > Ray, if we were to ask the government these questions, I think we'll never
> > get an answer (unless its a fast NO). Better figure it out internally and
> > then propose as our voluntary safety precautions. Would one even need
> > permission to dive if each sub is legally licensed? I seem to recall we
> have
> > someone in the group with a regulatory background on issues like this.
> 
> I agree that if we went to them and said a bunch of PSUBers (sub mad men?)
> wanted
> to take over the lake they would say NO out of hand.
> 
> I agree we need a plan to present. Then if they say NO they have to be
> specific about
> why. After all we thought it all out carefully and have a plan to keep
> everyone save.
> Why can't we do it? What is wrong with the plan?
> 
> >
> > Suggestion... if each sub had a buoy, they'd probably just get all tangled
> > up in each others'lines. Perhaps we can just have a central "marshall"
> > keeping records on dive plans, such as "sub X going down now and with plan
> > to surface in 20 minutes".
> 
> Good idea. Keep them coming.
> 
> > As for diving in pairs, I imagine that might only
> > work if visibility were terrific.
> 
> I can't say about visibility as I have only been around the lake, not on it.
> I would assume pretty bad.  When we do something in Florida we can dive as a
> group.
> 
> >
> > What about some "sporting events"? There could be a timed race around a
> > course, or a search and recovery competition, or a precision navigation
> > test. This could really be fun. Damn, I wish my sub were finished!
> 
> Yep. Lots of things that could be done. The possibilties are staggering.
> Again its great to pop ideas up in the forum but who is going to do the
> work?
> Any voluteers?
> 
> The convention has three main prongs to focus on:
> 
> 	OMSI
> 	Meeting
> 	Regatta
> 
> I can see each one of those quickly consuming the efforts of an individual.
> Even a whole team.
> While local guys can do leg work there should be convention subteams (pun
> intended)
> to work ideas. Any voluteers?
> 
> Regards,
> Ray
> 
> >
> > - Alec
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ray Keefer [mailto:Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:42 PM
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention regatta
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Dale asked a good question regarding the regatta:
> >
> > 	I still have not decided about bringing the sub or not.. Let me
> > 	know what might be planned for them...(a chance to dive them,
> > 	or display them, etc..  I have not heard of any plans yet..or
> > 	did I miss them...)
> >
> > Well until now I haven't given any details simply because there aren't
> any.
> > I have some thoughts. One might say possibilities. The scope of what we
> > finally do depends on what the authorities will let us get away with.
> >
> > Meeting
> > 1. Subs parked outside of meeting for show and tell would be wonderful.
> >    I am planning on this one and want a parking lot space for cars with
> >    sub trailers.
> >
> > Regatta
> > 1. Certainly get subs into the water.
> > 2. Actually diving the subs is the ultimate goal. This is where it will
> >    get tricky and the authority thing comes in. What limits will they
> >    impose, assuming they let us dive at all. For instance I am thinking
> >    of using Hagg Lake
> >
> >
> (http://www.co.washington.or.us/deptmts/sup_serv/fac_mgt/parks/hagglake.htm)
> >
> >    which is a few miles from my home, about 30 miles west of Portland.
> >
> >    a. Can all subs dive at will?
> >    b. Can only a fixed number dive at will?
> >    c. Can only two, or one dive at a time? I would prefer subs to dive
> >       in pairs. More fun then just my yourself and you are going with a
> >       buddy.
> >    d. Do we have to have buoys attached to each sub?
> >    e. Does each sub have to have voice communications to the surface?
> >    f. Do we have to have a chase boat? One per diving sub?
> >    g. Do we have to have divers? Buddied up of course. One pair per diving
> >       sub?
> >    h. How to organize the event? Whom says who can dive when? Need regatta
> >       captain.
> >
> > The details really depends on how well the contacts with Government
> > departments
> > that control access to the water go.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray
> 
>