Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Propane sub

[CWall@swri.edu]

If you want respect you have to show it.

I NEVER said I was an expert.   And the most I impled was that I had actually
THOUGHT about what I was posting.

I don't give a rat's ass either- I'm not trying to convince you how smart I am;
 I just put out a concept for criticism and expected that criticism to be
intelligent...and it wasn't.  Instead I got the insulting response that assumed
 I didn't know the most basic concepts such as Archimedes Principle and that
propane vapors are hazardous.

Well, screw you.   I never said that there was no one here with expertise and
experience, but that some of these same people can't read for content and
haven't shown much evidence of critical thinking as it applies to technical
conversation.  I find it completely asinine. They've jumped to unwarranted
conclusions, and wound up "criticising" a fictitious submarine that exists only
 in their heads.    

And that's their problem, not mine.  I gave clearly delineated parameters and
they ignored them, which tells me that they aren't as smart as they think they
are.   And if they won't respect the given information, they've already been
disrespctful towards me.  I didn't post to have to respond to extraneous
notions from the congenitally uncalibrated.

Craig Wall

Craig Wall 
---------- Original Text ----------

From: <VBra676539@aol.com>, on 11/10/00 8:37 PM:
To: Incognito2@CTC@SwRI26[<personal_submersibles@psubs.org>]

Craig,

You're going about this the wrong way, bud. There is, your suspicions to the 
contrary, a fair amount of experience available in this group. Some days, 
there is a LOT of experience. That gets shared, or not, as the folks prefer. 
Some days diamonds, some days coal, like the man said. I've butted heads a 
time or two in here, and made some friends out of the deal, so I know 
something about it. And the real deal is that we all suffer from some variant 
of a common ailment and are pretty happy about it. I might as well add that 
those of us who have been out there professionally generally have some 
specific things in common, aside from the obvious. This is something I 
definitely know something about so, listen up.

One thing we don't much take to is a mouthy, self-proclaimed expert. 
Especially one who we don't know and haven't judged by his or her work. I'm 
sorry about it, but there it is. I don't give the tiniest pinch of rat shit 
whether you like it or not. You blunder in here like you're royalty and expect
 ... no, demand ... instant, obeisant servility from the peons, and then 
berate them for the inevitable questions. That is unpleasant, uncivil and 
unnecessary. We're happy to listen, available to bounce ideas off of, eager 
to hear new stuff, and generally pretty civilized about it to boot. We don't 
even mind the whiners, as long as they are polite about it.

So, you got new ideas and a plan? You got parchment on the wall that says how 
smart you are? You got brass? Fine. We're all for it. I don't care if you got 
attitude or avalanches or aardvarks. Just mind your manners--not much--just a 
little bit. We'd like to hear about the sub. We'd like to admire an inventive 
mind. We might even like to hold a vigil during the funeral services (if 
required). And we'd like a little respect, damnit!

Vance