Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New opportunity

[MerlinSub@t-online.de (Carsten Standfuß)]

Hi..

"D. Blake" schrieb:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Standfuß <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New opportunity
> 
> >Hi Mike..
> >
> >They told in there homepage : .. an authentic military submarine ..
> >and they lie.. I requested them some weeks before for the reason
> > - and get never a response ..
> 
> Where is this firm based ?  I know they refer to "New Jersey" often on their
> webpage and obviously that is where the action is, but where is their base
> of operation ie. where do those who pull the strings reside?  In other
> words, who actually owns this baby now?  I know it has been up for sale for
> quite a long time.  It would seem that someone has decided to "go out on a
> limb" and create a possible lucrative purpose for this outstanding piece of
> work.  In all honesty, I envy them.  At two grand+ a shot, this craft will
> be paid off in no time flat provided--of course--that their is a demand for
> such a service.  I have no doubt there will be.  It seems very exciting.
> Hell, you may even be able to get a tuition grant from "Uncle Sam" for the
> Pilot's course!  (Marsee, you got something in on this?)  Anyway, what a
> cool way to own a big sub.
> 
> >Its the old prototyp of the Seahorse class close cycle diesel typ.
> >Its driven by a close cycle diesel with a argon / lye system.
> >Its makes here test trials in Kiel, Germany at the end of the 80ies
> >and was in storage at Bruker Physik at Karlstruhe, Germany after
> >the test programm (payed from our goverment) stopped.
> 
> I know from past posts that this craft was originally built for a
> Middle-East client.  The statement "payed from our government" sounds
> intriguing.  Exactly who was this client?  Could be it was meant to be a
> high-tech pleasure craft for a wealthy royal family member from maybe
> Kuwait, or perhaps an escape-craft for some wierd meniacle Warmonger
> Hell-bent on denying the "Free-World" of a cheap source of crude oil and at
> the same time reluctant to have 100% faith in Allah.  Hmmm, the
> possibilities are endless.  Still, the fact that your government stepped-in
> and prevented transfer of the craft at the last minute seems admirable.
> Provided of course that no U.S. government agency applied pressure to do so.

Seahorse No.1 diesel/electric/hydraulic was sold to middle east or east
asian
as workboat and used there. I have heard that it was badly dammaged and
is scrapped. 
Seahorse No.2 diesel/electric/hydraulic (the boat I was in) were build , 
but the goverment give no licence to export the boat to east-asia
(Taiwan?)
and the boat get in storage at the factory. I don't no were the boat is
at the moment
but it was also for sale with number 3 last year. It is clear a better
opportunity as No.3 and thats indicates it is also sold to somewere.
Seahorse No.3 diesel/cycle-argon-lye/electric/hydraulic in now the
US.Cosair. 
No.3 was a experimental sub payed partly or complete from our
Ministery for Research and Technology to promote the new underwater
engine plant. 
I give here the first page of the Report of BMFT Reference 524-3894-MTK
0323 6 . 

"The Experimental Submarine Seahose-KD is a fully operational autonomus
test platform 
for an air independent propulsion system based on a closed cycle diesel
engine. 
The Argon-Diesel known as MOTAK was a contribution from MAN Technologie
AG, Munich,
which also included progress technology and control. Within the Argon
cycle the exhaust 
gas is cooled down, cleaned from CO2 in a rotary scrubber and fed into
the engine again 
after addition of oxygen. On surface, the engine can be operated on
ambient air. 
During closed cycle operation, no media are exchanged with the ambient.
The process works
independently from the deep." 


> 
> >Its 14 m long, a true autonomus offshore submarine and never a military
> >sub. Its a bad base for a business to start with a lie.. some of
> >the pictures shows the crew during handling the sub
> >- 15 years old pictures.. have the same pictures in my broschures..
> >I was in the sistership with the convential diesel/electric drive
> >about 15 years before. And I was really impressed by this submarine
> >and a big picture of this sub is on my study room. Gaves me many
> >idears for my own sub - special the size.
> 
> Tiburin also, no?

Yes - I have here the general-plan and some information
of Tiburon T III b type - also a great midget. But she is a
"man of war" and about 40 percent of here length is for the
both torpedotubes. If I find time and if I in the area I will
visit one of the both displayed boats (WWW.Webtagon.com/Submarines).  

D Seahorse, SP/G Tiburon, GB X-craft, D See-Elephant, 
and the US boats of S.Lake and Mr.Holland are the roots for CSSX. 

> 
> >I like really everything on the sub - without three main things -
> >first you can not stand upright in this sub -
> >only in the dome area were the hatch is.
> >Second - they use a hydraulic main drive and loss about 30%
> >of the storage power due to convert the battery/diesel power to
> >the hydraulic system.
> >At third, the reserve-bouancy (freeboard) on the surface is very
> >low. Its dives in here bow wave if you run on the surface more
> >than 6-7 knots.
> >
> >I have every information of this sub here which ever was printed
> >including the general plans, cycle drawings, test reports,
> >main data sheet, test drive/dive video, price new and used etc..
> 
> Take time to scan it Carsten, and share with us.  I beg you!  This has got
> to be the ultimate PSUB Fish, that is until yours is finally launched.
> 
> >I had have the possibility to purchase the sub two years before -
> >but it was to expensive for me. Also the argon / lye system it
> >much more complex than the CO2 close cycle system and more difficult
> >in handling and handle with the used lye - which is also expensive
> >to give to a special toxic waste place.

 best regards,
 Carsten